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RE: hands or tentacles? help needed
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PacoPaella
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 RE: hands or tentacles? help needed (in reply to Ricardo)
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Thx Ricardo!  Even though i am sure others discovered this deep insight before me.
Flo, my comment was not directed at you, but at the Pura guy. Imho theres no need to be a showoff for an artist though. If thats what drives you, fine. While i dont perform, i know a couple of guys who do though and i am certain they have a different motivation, so i wouldnt generalize like that.
The point is that before visiting spain i used to listen to solo guitar, thinking "This is it!" and admiring the loooong hyper fast picados and tremolos which would almost rip the strings off the guitar and so on. Then when experiencing what real flamenco is about, i realized i wasted literally yaers of my musical life trying to learn stuff that has near to no musical meaning, but rather is the guitarists equivalent to comparing each others dicks. The real essence of flamenco guitar to me now is to learn to accompany, which by itself is very very hard, but takes other skills than beating the metronome at picados - understanding compas, feeling the flow, anticipation etc.. Sure you can decide for yourself that your goal in flamenco guitar is to play Puras 40 sec picados, that others here have judged to be boring beyond belief. But especially for a beginner it could be helpful to at least KNOW about the alternative.
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Date Jul. 29 2007 11:17:07
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Florian
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Joined: Jul. 14 2003
From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: hands or tentacles? help needed (in reply to PacoPaella)
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Again we go back to the other point 
Paco de Lucia, TOmatito, Vicente, Gerardo Nunes all do picado
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You dont have to believe me though, just go back the thread where you worked on that picado, and look what others thought about its musical value
I am not sure why u think i need to check on what others think about something in order for me to make up my mind about my own thoutghs.
...but to be honest i didnt like that picado that much myself, true. i did it as a challenge to myself/ part exercise/ to see. but still thats not enough to say that all picado or anything technical its crap or useless or not flamenco, if picado is a circus act than Paco must be Bozo the clown because he perfected it and made his carrer on it.
So forghet about Nino for now pretend we are talking about Paco now, is his picado a circus act too ?
Picado is not necesary, true, but its no more a circus act than fast footwork from a dancer, or hard rasqueado, or a long strained singers voice belting out something or a strong alzapua.
there is no difference between them, they all thave that circus effect if thats what you wanna call it.
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"then suddenly the melody of an entire verse of fandango is executed with picado at extraordinary speed and with absolute precision, possibly the longest continuous picado ever played. The effect has a tremendous impact, all those present bolt from their seats as if by spring action and thus ends the concert amidst cheering and applause......"
Ths sentence alone shows how qualified the whole review is ... a great circus effect
well yeah its called a performance.. i dont know the crowd sounds pretty happy according to the review.
its fair enough that you dont like it, not your cup of tea , cool. but u made it sound negative to be interested in it, thats what surprissed me your confidence.
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Date Jul. 29 2007 16:40:45
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val
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Joined: Apr. 4 2007
From: London
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RE: hands or tentacles? help needed (in reply to Ailsa)
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Ailsa
I'll give you symapthy and also total empathy. Whenever I've had guitar lessons, I can't do a thing - not only my hands seize up but my mind does too.
I'm going to cross-post the rest of this under a new thread in the hope of picking up other readers
I've not played in a long while for reasons too numerous to go into, but I'm hanging round this forum is to seek inspiration and motivation to start again. Realistically it's likely to be late Oct before I can put in the time I'd like to.
Help me out here guys. Here's my background (from the time-line you'll see I'm no chicken) - I challenge you to tell me where to go from here (no sarcastic responses)!
1980 - strumming around a few chords playing Streets of London etc
1981 - 1983 - Classical lessons first teacher - several hours a day practise, happy with progress. Reached aprox Grade 4/5 level but never did too much beyond the first 5 frets.
1984 - Year off - house move, renovations etc
1985 - Classical lessons 2nd teacher - two steps back , one forward
1986 - Year off - house move, renovations
1987 - DIY Flamenco guitar from Juan Martin's book (practised lots, but only the easier stuff)
1988 - Classical lessons 3rd teacher - another two steps back , one forward
1989 - Started work full-time plus major life-crap. No time to practise - guitar shelved apart from the occasional dabble.
1994 - Found Flamenco DANCING. Have listened to lots of flamenco since then.
I had a couple of Flamenco guitar lessons 3-4 years ago and worked on some Solea and Fandango for accompanying beginner classes. I can still play the Fandango if I get my notes out (very basic, but compas good).
My dance teacher would like me to accompany again from time to time and I would like this too. It would also be great when I get together with like-minded friends.
As you can imagine, my music tuition has always been very structured - taking the manuscript and working through it bit by bit and slowly. I find I don't have a good ear for recognising chords when I hear them and don't really understand chord sequencing. This means I don't automatically sense where to place my fingers for the next appropriate sound. Can't improvise and certainly can't say "You hum it, I'll play it". I've a tendancy to learn things by rote and do like to have stuff written down. Throw into the equation a very weak left wrist which I broke about 18 months ago (no - I didn't do my physio).
Flamencowise - I recognise most of the different forms when I hear them (tarantos sometimes catches me out) and fully understand and can keep up the compas. Can do palmas moderately well and can play castanets.
SO...... Where do I start? .......... Treat me as a beginner. I'm not really interested in any fancy stuff- it doesn't do it for me
Thanks in advance
Val
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Date Jul. 29 2007 21:51:49
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