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Attn Aaron Green + Charles Veva
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aarongreen
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RE: Attn Aaron Green + Charles Veva (in reply to Jim Opfer)
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Thats an interesting question. Cypress is a very light weight wood, it weighs quite a bit less than rosewood. And while there are many schools of design in classical guitar, there are less variations in the flamenco guitar. I have come across many light weight classical guitars made from rosewood. I have also seen some real tanks. In so far as materials differences both rosewood and cypress have their advantages. One reason why we love real good Brazilian rosewood is that it has less damping than any other wood we use for the back and sides. (African blackwood, which is a true rosewood, may have less damping but I am not sure, I am sure that it weighs considerably more and that to me cancels out any damping advantages, but I digress) Damping is a term that we use to talk about internal friction, where a certain amount of energy is lost to get that piece of wood vibrating. Another factor in that equation is the mass of the piece of wood. So in rosewood we have low losses for the mass but more mass. In cypress we have higher damping, greater losses, but considerably less mass. In the end though its all what you do with the materials you have. I am finding more and more that I really like the lyrical nature of a cypress guitar. The expansive tonal pallete of a great cypress guitar is something every guitarist would like to have, classical or flamenco. I still love rosewood and enjoy building in it. The more robust response of a great rosewood guitar is compelling enough to make me want to build more. I would hate to have to choose one material over the other, they all can offer great potentials.
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Date Feb. 17 2004 2:00:05
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RE: Attn Aaron Green + Charles Veva (in reply to Jim Opfer)
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Well Aron. This is a very interesting point. Makes me think. I to like very much the lyrical quality of cypress, and I do think it has a pallete a lot bigger than the traditional shortsustain flamenco we all know. I´m currently playing a M.A. Bellido blanca with cedar top, and it´s got the most beautifull midrange growl I´ve ever met in a nylon stringed guitar. This with the damping/weight factor interests me a lot. What do you think about CDN cypress. It´s taptone is a bit brighter than Mediteranean Cypress, and it´s got the stability and evenness that´s so difficult to find in Med. Cypress, (or very expensive) Also I would like to know yours (and anyone elses) opinion on Palo Escrito (trad Mexican tonewood), which weighs a great deal less than Indian Rosewood, but has got a very nice ringing taptone. Well thanks Anders
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Date Feb. 17 2004 20:47:12
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Paco E.
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From: Wieringerwerf, Holland
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RE: Attn Aaron Green + Charles Veva (in reply to Escribano)
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hello, About woods........ Rosewood, indian is a little less denser the brasilian. The strength of brasilian (rio) is higher Maple is a little lighter hen cypress, but denser and stronger The difficulty is to find the compromise between a high volume en the tonal quality. when the rythm of the piece you are playing is impotant, like flamenco, the it is important to find tonal woods that give a quick repons, the stiffiness en wheight is important. For example: cedar, is sounding warm and gives a natural G-tone, but mixes all the tones together. Spruce is better for quick playing and mixes less. Besides the quality of the tonal woods, the construction of the guitar makes the quality. That is the major fator, the craftmanship of the Luthier and the design. These things doing it. Ed
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Date Feb. 21 2004 23:23:08
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Paco E.
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From: Wieringerwerf, Holland
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RE: Attn Aaron Green + Charles Veva (in reply to Paco E.)
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Hmm, moist........ There are a few things to consider about that. Moist in woods is in two way in there. In the cells and around the cells The moist around the cells is easy to releave the moist in the cells needs more time to releave normaly a moist (in the cells ) of 12 % is good Further more, Try to imagine that wood is a set of fibers, that, when you wetting the wood have the ability to slide towards eachother. That is the capacity that gives you the ability to bend it. Try rosewood. Wet the complete part 24 hours in water. Put the bending iron on when you put the wood on the iron, there is stil tension in the wood, suddenly, it is flexibel, the water steams and de internal fibers are sliding towards eachother. this is the bending moment, when the wood cools off, it will stay in position. Ed
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Date Feb. 21 2004 23:33:21
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