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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Ron.M)
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ORIGINAL: Ron.M The guitar was horrible, really rough and amateurish... Then a voice over said that this was an excerpt from the current maestro Juan Martin's live concert!
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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Florian)
Listen Flo, I'm a bit worried about that publicity photo of you and Sr Martin. I can see that it's a very relaxed shot - JM in his t-shirt and all - but do you think it's perhaps a bit disrespectful to the great man to be standing next to him with a tinny? Would have expected a glass of rioja at least.
RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Florian)
Nah, you got it all wrong Flo, it's actually a piece that questions whether Sr Martin has been demonized on Foro Flamenco. And, well, if you don't feel you can explain that to him, I worked up another one for you
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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to andresito)
LOL !!
Ok to be fair, i would be laying if i didnt say i am excited about this, i mean it will be quite a trip to be playing and look to my side and see Juan lol, expecially since when i started out my very first flamenco book was his.
I mean no matter what we think of his playing hes somebody and i am nobody, quite lucky.
and i wont even mention Segovias protogei ( dont know how to spell it ) Eliot Fisk, whos name i get heart palpitations everytime i mention, thinking hes gonna be in the same room when we play and mibe even do the group number togheder dont know.
lately i been practicing 8 hours a day but its not enough, i need to not sleep !!
RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Florian)
That's a good way to look at it, Flo. How many other people on the foro have played, or will play with someone famous? Nice one mate! Don't do a Chopper and have too many tins in the green room beforehand, though...
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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Florian)
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and i wont even mention Segovias protogei ( dont know how to spell it ) Eliot Fisk, whos name i get heart palpitations everytime i mention, thinking hes gonna be in the same room when we play and mibe even do the group number togheder dont know.
But you forgot Segovia's BIGGEST protegé....
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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to andresito)
Actually, Esteban plays a whole lot cleaner the Fisk, i can say that much.
Fisk has a tendency to play his whole rep about 50 bpm faster than he's physically capable of playing it. Fun for him maybe. But its nails on a chalkboard to me.
RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to andresito)
I don't see why Florian and Juan don't team up as a double-act... they obviously have a lot to learn from eachother... Florian could learn a lot from Juan's Public Relations and Marketing, and I'm sure Juan could polish up his technique with a few tips from Flo. Together, they'd be unstoppable, and I'm sure they would sell thousands of albums...
Jb
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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to andresito)
Fisk has a tendancy to mug and hack. Grisha knows this but he is nicer than Todd and nicer than me by far. Classical music is strange, it's not what your teacher knows it is who he knows that is more and more important.
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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to andresito)
Flo, Ain't life strange. Not too long ago, you were writing about learning some of Juan's music and now your going to meet the great man himself! Sounds very interesting.
Guitarbudda, I'm not a big fan of classical guitar, so I am not familiar with Elliot Fisk's playing, but the greatest all around musicians I've ever heard were classical players. I would say playing pop, rock, even flamenco, has more of a chance of producing popularity based on who you know or who your related to than classical. But maybe I'm wrong?
RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Mark2)
lol I just found the festival program in the news paper lol ( with the guitarists bio) I wont mention JM's lol or we gonna start the Juan war again lol, lets just say , you have all read it before
RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Ailsa)
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Juan Martin: flamenco virtuoso
A celebrated virtuoso of the flamenco guitar who has been voted into the top three guitarists in the world by US magazine Guitar Player, Juan Martín is a native of Andalucía, where he still has a home in Málaga. He spends much time on tour and in London where he has formed an international company, Flamencovision, for the promotion of high quality flamenco which he rehearses and brings direct from Andalucía. He has recorded 14 albums, mostly as a composer and presently has 4 videos distributed by Warner Brothers which, despite their purity, are always amongst their best sellers.
His method book El Arte Flamenco de la Guitarra, in its seventh print, has opened the complex art of the flamenco guitar to the whole world and is assiduously studied from Moscow to Beijing to San Francisco and back to Spain and has assured his name for posterity. He performs with a highly distinctive compositional style formed from his early years in Málaga and developed through wide experience in Madrid, including direct contact with Paco de Lucía. Further experience and polish came through recordings with the Royal Philharmonic and live performances with artists of the calibre of Miles Davis.
He was the first flamenco artist to record with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and reviews of his solo compositions on The Andalucian Suites and Luna Negra have compared him to the great Spanish composers Tárrega and Turina. His interest in the Moorish roots of flamenco have led him to record Musica Alhambra and rediscover Andalusí and Sephardic music from the 12th and 13th centuries no longer performed in Spain: Martín spans the centuries with a mixture of the dazzling and the profound. The Observer. He followed on with Arte Flamenco Puro a recording of the cante, dance and guitar in its purest form and his latest CD recorded in Andalucía contains his best compositions to date with an alchemy of the traditional and modern making him truly El Alquimista ú Flamenco for a new era.
it ends with : " Juan has terrifyingly good technique and absolute dominance of the guitar, filling the concert hall with crystalline clarity ( El Mundo ) Spain.
the words varie a litlle , i just pasted the first few words into google eg " A celebrated virtuoso of the flamenco guitar " see what comes up , saved me writting for 20 mins.
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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Guest)
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I am glad someone as reputable as Todd said it.
I love Fisk's Rochberg variations and Paganini Caprices but other than that he has horrible tone.
I am too scared to agree since a few classical friends love him, and he is Grisha's teacher of course! But I have to say even the Paganini made me think that music is just not for the guitar. But then J. Williams does a very cool version of just no. 24 that some young oriental girls hack through. But he changed it a lot from the violin.
But I hear Fisk lives in Granada or at least has a house overlooking the Alhambra, and is big flamenco aficionado. So that is pretty cool at least.
RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Mark2)
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ORIGINAL: Mark2
Guitarbudda, I'm not a big fan of classical guitar, so I am not familiar with Elliot Fisk's playing, but the greatest all around musicians I've ever heard were classical players. I would say playing pop, rock, even flamenco, has more of a chance of producing popularity based on who you know or who your related to than classical. But maybe I'm wrong?
Hi Mark. I am a big fan of classical music. I attended a conservatoire and gained a degree in guitar classical guitar performance. Many of the weakest all round musicians (who consider themselves to be professional)I have met were there and indeed some of them were there amongst the teaching staff. The strongest have tended to be in Jazz but also Scottish folk music. The musician counts really not the genre.
Although it is presumptuous of me to speak on behalf of Grisha I would say that he is a maturer, stronger, more respectful and more composed musician than Fisk ever has been. Fisk was famously taught by Segovia (who was famously never in one place long enough to teach anyone) and is allegedly a virtuoso. Noone here question this although many admit to not having heard a note he has played (such as yourself Mark).
Lots of classical music 'fans' exhibit this same trust, as indeed so do Juan Martin fans. Fisk is a strong player in some respects but musically he leaves a lot to be desired. Why is Grisha studying with him then ? Perhaps people will assume that Grisha is good because he studied with Fisk (who has had good PR). It is about branding really and trying to be close to people who can find you a career if you flatter them enough.
The good thing about this is that noone need trust their ears or listen before making a choice about wether or not a musician is good.... ?
If you want to hear someone who has been succeeding for a long time in playing the guitar the way that Fisk believes himself to then I reccomend listening to Kazuhito Yamashita who is well... better. If you want to know how Fisk playes then go ahead and listen but remember just because he is classical and famous doesn't guarantee that he is good.
D.
PS. WELL DONE and GOOD LUCK FLO. Stay off the coffee a few days before you play and you should be pretty well composed. Try and sleep well and maintain a normal-ish routine so that you dont start to feel too weird as the event gets closer and treat the man according to how he strikes you socially and you might even enjoy his company.
RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Ailsa)
Well i dont know anything about classical, so i let the judging up to those who listen to it.
I only ever listened to a handfull of classical stuff and some i liked and some went past my head, I gues 1 life is just not enough to truly apreciate all the beautiful music out there.
Anyway in all the talk i am not sure if i said thanks for the words and nice wishes.
And for those of you who are too "flamenco" to wish me good luck dont worry , i am with you I dont think i deserve to be there either
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RE: Is this a bad time to tell you a... (in reply to Florian)
The festival website is up and running now: www.adelaideguitarfestival.com.au Florian and I are playing in the show "Flamenco!". I'm pretty excited to be involved in a festival that has people like Martin Taylor, Ralph Towner, the Assad brothers etc. Time to do tons of practice! In any case Florian and I always have heaps of fun when we do shows together.
I only know Elliot Fisk from an old record I have of one of Bach's lute suites (BWV 996) and I like his interpretation a lot - especially his very original ornamentation. That's all I've heard from him so far, so it's interesting to get some other opinions.
Hope to see you all in Adelaide in November for our show (come on now, it's not that far away!)
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I think its naive and childish and rude and unecessary and 
Would have expected a glass of rioja at least.
.... didn't realise you were going to have to type a dissertation! 
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