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RE: All you LUTHIERS - neck angle and neck relief ?
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: All you LUTHIERS - neck angle an... (in reply to aarongreen)
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Your other two questions are not germane to_ this_ discussion. Once again, we are discussing Brune's assertion that this was intentional to give a certain kind of raspy attack (he called it rajo, if I remember correctly). That was the whole point of the comment. First of all, the 2 questions would give the world or just me an idea of what you generally think about back bow, but after rereading the thread, I can see that you already answered the last one by saying that you make your guitars with very Little relief almost straight. Btw. good explanation by you and Jeff on why to much relief is not good. What you describe in the quote is called Rajeo. (you know with spanish j) and its exactly what I meant when I said that Sabicas buzzes ALL the time. Its very old school. Especially guitars set up for dance, were setup so that they have a lot of rajeo. It makes them more percussive. In solo playing, this is sometimes used by old school players to kill the tone. you know making this short percussive almost no vibration notes. Very few modern players if any wants that nowadays and especially when playing a lot of chords all over the fingerboard, (which old school players dont do very much) the guitar gets a very "dead" feel. Its not vibrating. Also, in general, it kills volume and projection. So, seing things in that light, I can understand that in some very specific uses, like Sabicas playing, that intentional backbow can have an effect. But it is looking for something really weird in todays light. Also it is a very controversial thing to say on a luthiery fórum. Its like if you were saying that the world is flat or that cars work better with square tyres..... So I dont think its making a mountain out of a mole or a storm in a glass of water. So last, just a question: would you setup a new guitar like that if thats what a client would want? I would say no because it goes very much against my perception of a good flamenco guitar
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Date Oct. 23 2013 6:27:23
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: All you LUTHIERS - neck angle an... (in reply to aarongreen)
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I still have buzzing on the low E and sometimes the D & G when played open, Have you checked the stringheight at the nut? 0,5mm relief is a tad to much. IMHO, 0,1 is what Works the best. If you decide to have the fretboard levelled, make sure you find a lutier that thoroughly understands flamenco guitars. In your case, it sounds like the fretboard should be levelled on the upper end, towards the nut. Depending on the relief, sometimes its enough to take off the upper 6 - 7 frets (close to nut), slightly remove a bit of Wood from the fretboard, instal new frets and level them with old ones and maybe flatten the frets from the 9th and upwards to the soundhole. If done right, its almost as good as taking all the frets off and level the fingerboard and it has the advantage that you dont remove material from the fretboard where the higher frets are installed. This way you shouldnt get problems with getting a to low brigde setup. If you plane the whole fretboard, very easily you end up with a slightly lower bridge setup, which is not recomendable in your case
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Date Oct. 23 2013 16:09:32
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