2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicente Amigo) guitar

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Haithamflamenco

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From: Bahrain

2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicente A...

hi guys,

new vicente amigo guitar:

2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicente Amigo)
Top: Spruce
Back and Sides: Palo Rosa (Coral Wood)
Origin: Spain • Finish: French Polish
Price: $7,500

the shop owner :"I discovered this guitar when visiting Manuel in Granada on a recent trip. I am a huge fan of "Palo Rosa" and both Manuel Bellido and Manuel Reyes have made me guitars from this great wood. It is very difficult to work with and often they will only agree to make guitars from this wood for good friends and well known players. So, when I saw this guitar in Manuel's shop, of course I asked about it. It was made for Vicente Amigo and has an interesting story. I played the guitar and it was obvious why Vicente liked it, as did I. Manuel had gone all out using his best woods and workmanship to create an exceptional and unusual Negra. Characterized by his 'trademark' zero fret, and pure Bellido sound, it also has surprising volume as well. A great guitar for solo work or accompanying in the sense that the Coral wood imparts a tone that is somehow more than what you expect from either a Blanca or a Negra alone."

here is the link;
http://www.classicguitar.com/f-00BellidoVicente.html

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nhills

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RE: 2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicen... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

So why didn't Vicente take it? The story isn't finished.

Norman

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2007 1:13:56

Haithamflamenco

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RE: 2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicen... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

because maybe the guitar is very ugly, lol

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2007 2:09:03

Anders Eliasson

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2007 8:19:22

Rain

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RE: 2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicen... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

I tried the Bellido Blanca from this seller, and it was a horrible guitar.
He was selling it for 5500$ and it was maybe worth 2000$.
The dealer is an amazing hype machine, a sort of used cars salesman, i regret doing business with him. He was selling a $15,000 dollar Reyes not so long ago, as well. From speaking with him on the phone , I did not get the impression that he was knowledgeable about guitars.

The guitar he sent me has a zero fret, as does this one, which I am not a huge fan of. Check out the first fret , you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2007 12:58:44

DavidT

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RE: 2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicen... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

I comfirm what Rain said.
Rain hits it right on the head.
I have had bad experiences with this dealer from whom I bought my guitar.
I would stay away from this dealer.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2007 13:47:36

Haithamflamenco

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RE: 2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicen... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

quote:

zero fret

guys,

what dose "zero fret" mean?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2007 14:20:28

Jon Boyes

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RE: 2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicen... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Haithamflamenco
what dose "zero fret" mean?

Check out that picture of the guitar you posted - just in front of the nut you will see an 'extra' fret, yes? That's a zero fret. Its in the position where you would normally find the nut and the strings rest on it. The actual nut merely serves to space the strings.

Zero frets are said (somewhat dubiously) to make the tone of the open strings more similar to the tone of a fretted notes, and also supposedly make setting the action a little easier, as the carving of the nut slots isn't so crucial.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2007 15:01:57

PacoPaella

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RE: 2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicen... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

I find it very irritating how people talk about "Bellido" sound. I have played instruments of all three of them and theres a huge gap between my favorite builder Jose Lopez Bellido and his Brother Manuel, who specialized in classical instruments. Manuels flamencos are expensive and overrated, with low volume and no brilliance. The zero fret idea from what i understood serves to get low action easily, which would make sense to me (then again i have no clue of how to build a guitar).

The third bellido is Manuels son i believe. He needs a lot of experience to get to a higher level though.

Just my 0.02 euros.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2007 16:05:10

Haithamflamenco

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RE: 2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicen... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

quote:

Check out that picture of the guitar you posted - just in front of the nut you will see an 'extra' fret, yes? That's a zero fret. Its in the position where you would normally find the nut and the strings rest on it. The actual nut merely serves to space the strings.

Zero frets are said (somewhat dubiously) to make the tone of the open strings more similar to the tone of a fretted notes, and also supposedly make setting the action a little easier, as the carving of the nut slots isn't so crucial.

lol,

I have 3/4 balnca guitar build in france, it has the same "zero fret", i gave this guitar to my 13 years brother to practice on it in bahrain,

haitham

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2007 16:46:49

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RE: 2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicen... (in reply to Rain)

I coudn't agree more with what is being said about this dealer. His knowledge about guitars is ZERO and I don't trust him.

Here is a story.... He tells me that the 89 Reyes Negra was an excellent guitar with very good condition.... I drive 2.5 hours and get there, I play the guitar, good guitar, but you can tell that the guitar had mor like a classical set up than flaenco, anyway I turn the guitar and see a crack in the back. He pretends that he had not seen it. Can you believe that a dealer before investing in a $21,000 guitar would not know about the crack?

Immmidiatly, I realised that I was not dealing with an honest man, so I left.

I played the Bellido blanca and didn't like it either.

The best is his description of the Devoe Brazilian....Before he sold it, the description was something like...."why wait 4 years on excellent Devoe guitar, here is the Brazilian at the price of an Indian....". Right after he sells it he changes the description to this http://www.classicguitar.com/f-99Devoe.html

First the content is not correct, Vicente still records with his Devoe Negra and you can hear that clearly in his last album. and Paco admits recording with Devoe guitar.

Just because Dan Zeff at the time had a new Devoe for sale, he wanted to attack him or harm his business.

He reminds me of a car dealer.

TK

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2007 16:51:10

Ricardo

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RE: 2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicen... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

Ugly. Bad story. Over priced. That zero fret probably has more to do with intonation than sound or action.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2007 19:41:39

Haithamflamenco

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RE: 2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicen... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

quote:

First the content is not correct, Vicente still records with his Devoe Negra and you can hear that clearly in his last album. and Paco admits recording with Devoe guitar.

vicente record with a devoe guitar??! what about his manuel reyes??

i've never know this!!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2007 3:05:23

Jim Opfer

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RE: 2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicen... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

I bought a fine Reyes from Chris Kamen last summer and all went very well (US to Scotland). Based on my personal experience, I would have no trouble recommending him to others and found his description of the guitar to be accurate but I guess there are good deals and not so good.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2007 18:23:20

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 19 2007 8:08:58

Per Hallgren

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RE: 2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicen... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

Anders, what is your opinion about using Coral/Padauk for a negra compared to indian rosewood? Is it a compromise based on economy or is it just another good wood (that happens to be cheap) giving a slightly different character?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 19 2007 17:49:53

Per Hallgren

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RE: 2000 Manuel Bellido Negra (Vicen... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Anders, I agree. Coral looks very nice together with dark bindings and wedge. I have a set somewhere that I bought from curiosity only. My back and side woods has always been rosewood, rosewood, some rosewood, a little maple and cypress as often I can, which is very occasional.