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If you click on his Name, youll see other falsetas. He recorded each (3) seperately. This is the kind of stuff where i stare mouth open at the monitor and think: "WTF?!". Sick stuff IMO. Maybe other stuff is sicker. But this is already pretty sick. Lefthand completely sick, barres, chord changes, synch, argh...
On the other hand it gives hope: You dont need to have PacoPicado to play Paco stuff (ok at least not his newer stuff)
RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to XXX)
I don't know if you were joking when you said it was sick, but I actually think that it IS SICK . I mean, what is this to do do with flamenco? I don't see the point in people playing this stuff. Fine if it's original but why waste your time copying and trying to be like Paco?
RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to XXX)
Jim, no problem if you dont like it. Taste are different. I think its awesome, and of course i would be the happiest person if i could play this kind of stuff. Its not about being Paco, dude. Its about music, about being able to express yourself I mean, of course every guitarrist makes *his* music. But i actually like those, who set the standards, not only in terms of composing, also technically, in terms of bringing forward FLAMENCO GUITAR as a STYLE to play guitar, "push the boundaries" or whatever. I dont want to argue the same old boring topic "modern vs. traditional", nevertheless i have to say this IS flamenco to me. The fact that its original makes it even MORE likeable to me. I just wanted to share the performance of this awesome guitarrist, coz i thought there might be two or more people that like this stuff. Thats all.
RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to XXX)
Well,... we all copy. If you play "traditional" you just copy old players, too.. Why not copying Paco. Well.. in general I think if you reached a specific level of playing abilities, you should play your own stuff... But its entertaining stuff he uploaded. By the way,.. I dont like the newest Paco CD much. But who cares...
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RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to XXX)
i love it. I think these falsetas and this kind of playing was the next step Paco did. I dont like all tracks in cositas Buenas but these falsetas are amazing.
And i dont see any problem in copying (or trying to copy) the Maestros. I mean, we are not all compositors . Are we ??? And i bet all good guitarists copied first Sabicas, Nino Ricardo, Paco etc. and THEN after many years of practicing , they started to compose themself.
So Jim , i dont understand your comment. , Are you talking about copying generally or do you mean these more modern stuff has nothing to do with flamenco ??
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RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to XXX)
For anyone who thinks Paco has slowed down, this guy's vids shows the stuff paco is writing today is harder than hell to play-sure looks that way anyhow. This guy can freakin play!
RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to Arash)
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So Jim , i dont understand your comment. , Are you talking about copying generally or do you mean these more modern stuff has nothing to do with flamenco ??
Technically the guy in the video playing is amazing, I don't have a problem with that. It's just that I don't find this interesting. I don't get any satisfaction listening to someone playing complicated fast material just to demonstrate that he can do it and that's what I see in this video. I don't hear any flamenco, there's no feeling just speed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising his ability just that I don't see the point in spending time learning this stuff played out of context. I enjoy good modern flamenco guitar more than traditional playing but it's got to be genuine.
RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to XXX)
Hmm.. If it weren't for the heavy beats from time to time, I'd have thought it was just another guy fiddling around in a guitar store like the Electric players used to do on a Saturday afternoon in days of yore. A big yawn....9 out of 10 for "yawniness"...Anyway I'm off to watch the Jack Nicholson movie on TV now..
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RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to XXX)
Koella, have you heard friday night in San Francisco ?
Anyway we all have to learn and grow. Speed of musical development and speed of finger are too often out of sync. But if this guy is working on Paco then he is moving towards something good. Best of luck to him.
RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to ToddK)
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ORIGINAL: ToddK
the legato's are sloppy, weak, and uneven. rhythm is bad.
That was also my first impression. My first impression was, that it cant be, that someone is able pulling off this material. Having watch them 50 times ( ) im not so sure now. Tapping on it works for me most of the times. OK hes not Paco. But considering hes playing Paco without being Paco, it was good i think.
RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to XXX)
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it was good i think.
I was sorta offsetting in my brief review, becuase in your original post, you seem really amazed by this guy.
He's , as you say now, "very good". Sure.
He's not "totally sick".
I know totally sick when i see it.
I see many of us get so revved up by speedy manouvers, but not as often by things like Rhythmic control, Great power, Great tone. Fast legatos and picados have good wow factor, but eh....
I think this guy is"Totally sick" In my opinion, what this guy is doing takes MANY more years, and much more passion to accomplish than that other joker.
He's got drop dead perfect rhythm, excellent sound, and a f'ing Ripping alzapua.
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RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to ToddK)
The feeling and kind of playing in the Bulerias Video from Flavio which you mentioned, ist completely different to Antonia.
Flavios Bulerias is that kind Bulerias which has to be played with power and very percussive. And sure Flavio is very good and the Alzapuas are insane.
But Antonia has to played in a completely different way IMO. Yes even a little bit "Sloppy"! And this guy is very close to it.
BTW, i think this guy can even play better. Seams like he is not concentrating very much. And i bet if he does a more professional recording with good Micing, etc. , you would have a completely different impression from it.
RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to XXX)
@Todd: I think Pacos composition is sick! But i dont think we should compare both performances. Bikhyal said it all: First totally different compositions, second totally different recording quality. I REALLY would like to see this guy performing a "standard" buleria, like Flavio. I would even bet, he can pull it off IMO (ok maybe we leave out the alzapuas?). I mean you cant play Paco stuff on a medium level if you dont play normal stuff on super level, no? But lets wait and see, maybe there will be other uploads from him to come.
Ps: Ahaha, for the YouTube trolls you are now "plectrum-wizard" who plays non-flamenco? I have to say, considering that its non-flamenco, it sounds pretty good!
RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to XXX)
Sorry Deniz, But I have to agree with Jim and Todd. I really can't see what you are getting so excited about. I don't like to be so negative, but it really isn't that good. Not just the slightly sloppy technique, but disinterested way he is playing it. So sorry, but: Next......
By the way, although Flavio's Alzapua is truly insane, I thought that his Falseta was very dull. Good sense of rhythm though.
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RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to XXX)
I agree with the guys who think that the guy is capable of playing much tighter. He didn't learn that paco stuff in a vacum. And he's playing very casually. What impressed me was that he figured it all out and has it in compas. And the way he does the breaks shows he's got the deal. I'm sure he can play other material with a lot more power. The guy Todd posted is very good too, but IMO his material is pretty simple in comparison although it is played very well. It was nice to SEE the fingering for those paco falsetas.
RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to Mark2)
I think this Forum is getting itself tighter and tighter into good Flamenco= greater speed and virtuosity on the guitar. Which (IMO) it is obviously not. Much wider than that. Again, IMO.
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RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to Ron.M)
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I think this Forum is getting itself tighter and tighter into good Flamenco= greater speed and virtuosity on the guitar. Which (IMO) it is obviously not.
i dont think that me , Deniz , Doit , or others who like modern Flamenco think that good flamenco = higher speed, etc. In fact, i dont like fast picado runs, just to give an example.
It is just different taste if you like more traditional stuff (by the way i like many traditional flamenco performances) or if you prefer more modern flamenco.
On the other hand, i cant understand why the so called "flamenco purist" are so radical in their judgment. You cant say "this is not flamenco" just because you have another taste.
RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to XXX)
I'm with Todd here. I'm no purist. But the PDL figure just showed how he got down the notes very well. The guy that Todd posted plays flamenco. I see no comparison between the two.
RE: Some guy playing ANTONIA (PdL) !!! (in reply to Arash)
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ORIGINAL: Bikhiyal
On the other hand, i cant understand why the so called "flamenco purist" are so radical in their judgment. You cant say "this is not flamenco" just because you have another taste.
Exactly, thats what im trying to say all the time: OK, you CAN have different tastes. Thats NO problem at all. But when you begin, to DEFINE what "is flamenco" and whats "non-flamenco", ONLY because it suits your personal, subjective taste, then this is simply wrong. In other words: if it is ok to do that, then flamenco is everything i like it to be. Somebody who dont likes Sabicas, could say then he is not flamenco.
The point that you, Todd, mentioned was a different one though. We have to distinguish that: first there is this never ending and boring discussion of what is and what is not flamenco. As far as i understood you Todd, your main point was NOT that you claimed this is not flamenco. You say he plays it sloppy (in contrast to for example Jim, who said that he is technically amazing), and i would partially agree by saying: Ok, its not perfect.
But i think you are misunderstanding Bikhyal and me, coz nobody said that it needs many notes to be good flamenco. Yes, compared to the Paco stuff it is "simple". Yes, the execution (as performance) of Antonia wasnt perfect, but as a composition, as a piece to play, it is way harder than the other one.
Apart from that, i would not even dare to compare both performances because there are other factors, like recording quality, and the Antonia-guy being very unconcentrated, that effect it.
@koella: You said "I'm no purist. But the PDL figure just showed how he got down the notes very well."
I didnt understand that. I mean, what is wrong in being able to play many complex notes?
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. I mean, what is this to do do with flamenco? 
I mean, of course every guitarrist makes *his* music. But i actually like those, who set the standards, not only in terms of composing, also technically, in terms of bringing forward FLAMENCO GUITAR as a STYLE to play guitar, "push the boundaries" or whatever. 
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