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what is the best method ? i ve had lately the encuentro dvd of pepe hebichuala it needs alot of effort and it made me ask my self a question .what is the best method that i can buy ?? i mean it takes your hand from beginner level to the lets say 1st step to be profesional , i think its usefull to share experiance all of you guys.
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Date Jan. 25 2007 19:43:35
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Ricardo
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RE: what is the best method ? (in reply to Guest)
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I don't know of any method like that, all though I guess that is the idea of a method. The problem is, there is no real "easy" flamenco. Just strumming the basic compas can be a challenge for anyone. I have beginning students that can do it, where as a seasoned classical master would not be caught up to my beginners if he took up flamenco today. So, how can one make a method of "graduating" things in flamenco? I have thought a lot about it tried many approaches with different students, and conclude it is just not so easy. A beginning student that has compas, and only knows how to strum the compas for the main palos, and one simple falseta each, is actually ready to try to accompany dance class, and soon after that play gigs doing that! Other students want to learn challenging falsetas or complete pieces, and don't have playing for dance class as a goal, and could spend years just on basic techniques. I think it is important to be inspired. There are only a handful of players that really inspire me with their instructional vids. They tend to be more advanced too, which is a shame, because for me that is the "real" technique that beginners need to start learning. I dont' want to bad mouth any other teaching methods, but I don't see the point of dumbing down the basic bulerias compas strumming for example, like I have seen so many times. Or players showing the "basics" but they are ultimately not so great themselves as players. If you are a visual learner, I recommend the vids of Encuentros, any player that is your favorite. Nuñez is especially good at demonstrating basic elements of technique. Of course his pieces will be challenging, but you dont' need to learn complete pieces to play flamenco, no matter your level. Ricardo
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Date Jan. 25 2007 20:42:50
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legrec
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i mean it takes your hand from beginner level to the lets say 1st step to be profesional Doublekk2, I'm not a pro player and even don't want to try to be one so I'm probably not the best guy to say something here but I don't think ANY method will be able to bring you from beginner to "1st step" pro level (even if this is rather unclear by itself for me). I've eaten all the methods around me since 3 years, and can't consider I'm at the 1st step of being an "intermediate" player . What I want to say simply is that for me the two main things are : - "Hard work" is one key (with the pleasure notion in it, not only the "no pain, no gain" thing) - like playing 6 hours a day during several years. - Getting into a "full" flamenco environment is another one : Listening a lot to flamenco, taking lessons, learning from lots of different methods available, meeting and gigging with lot of people, accompagning, composing, trying to make a living with playing, recording, teaching etc. The pro player here will tell better than me, but I think if you're able to do a little bit of all these, constantly during several years, then you'll be able to play at a pro level. But not by focusing on one single method. So, some methods can be better than other ( I will rejoin Ricardo and Duende with the Encuentro series. And perhaps Oscar Herrero also, because there is a lot of these now). But in my personal opinion, I feel it could be a little misleading or frustrating if you're in the position of thinking that learning from a method can "bring" you to pro "entry level". But I don't want to say at all that you'll never be a "pro player", if you want to become one. I'm just saying that in my opinion, a method can't bring you to that level, if taken alone. But for sure, it depends a lot on what you understand by "pro level" : is it just a "very good playing" (at home), or the ability to gig, make concerts, accompagny baile&cante, to make a living ? Pro players here : how did you get there ? (Oh no, I'm relaunching the "what it needs to be a pro player" thread ! Forget my question... )
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Date Jan. 25 2007 21:02:15
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all of you are right TANúñez,romerito ,legrec,duende , Ricardo and doublekk2 oh thats me lol ....actually i like the word i gerec said if you wana be pro you ve to find a comunity and i dont ve this comunity
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Date Jan. 26 2007 2:45:45
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RE: what is the best method ? (in reply to Doitsujin)
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ORIGINAL: Doitsujin I think the best method is a mixture of all what you can find for beginners, some friends who have the same interest as you and you can push each other, some dance-classes where better guitarrist play and you can learn from them. Also workshops with pro-players are good, you can have serious correct answeres on every question. i wish i can do this doitsujin but i am living in egypt .....may be i can do this with the cleopatra ...lol
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