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Gerundino played by Ricardo?
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Ricardo
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 RE: Gerundino played by Ricardo? (in reply to MKodji)
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah this is my friend's Gerundino. He has a couple nice guitars and needed to get some money together because he is buying a house. I loved this guitar, very "flamenco". At the time of that filiming (a few months ago), I thought the action could come down a hair. He lowered it, and now it is killer. Sorry I am not too sure why this guitar would be "authentic" or not. Do you mean because Gerundino stopped making at some point? Not sure what to look for to figure that out. I can only tell if a guitar is good or not. I would not have let myself get caught on vid if it was not a real good guitar. I played some other Gerundino's which I assume were "authentic", and this one compares favorably to those.
My friend was selling 2 other guitars, and I think I made a vid for one other too. There was a Contreras Valbuena, really nice flamenco guitar that had a mix of rosewood and cypress on the back and sides, and he was selling a Conde too, but I bought that one. 
Anyway, I do recommend this guitar for anyone seriously interested.
Ricardo
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Date Jan. 12 2007 21:27:33
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legrec
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From: France
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RE: Gerundino played by Ricardo? (in reply to nhills)
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Nhills,
Yes I've noticed too this apparently wonderful sounding Santos Bayon...But I don't know until what point we can trust Zava's soundbites.
Maybe you have noticed that the sound samples improved a lot over the years. Old sample are really dull generaly, with low volume, dynamics, etc.
And "abracadabra", recent ones are almost all wonderful - from the guitar at 2500$ to the one at 6000$.
So I guess it's a recording "smokes & mirrors" issue for a great part...
I've almost bought a Burguet ABF negra long time ago, because of the sound samples at Zava (and a very low price). For my own sake, glad I'd been able to try the guitar first...what a classical piece of crap !
And a funny guy is now trying to sell a Burguet on ebay, saying that Burguet is one of the best luthiers in the world. - Yes, and I'm also one of the best flamenco players in the world, and also a top-class football player, and a soon nobelized scientist.
It costs nothing to enjolivate a little.
(Sorry for Burget lovers and owners but that particular negra I've tried was awful).
BTW : you've probably seen also the second-hand Santos Bayon in Zava's inventory, if you're interested in his guitars. It's cheap, and I know the seller is trying to sell this one since a loooong time on the web (putted on ebay with no luck months ago). I might be interested since I'm in France and the guitar is in Spain, but would like to try the guitar before...
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Date Jan. 13 2007 16:01:19
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: Gerundino played by Ricardo? (in reply to Arash)
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quote:
I think 2 young motivated good guitar builders (like Hnos. Sanchis Lopez)
who are almost at the beginning of their way , build better guitars for the price which you pay than old Maestros who have already achieved everything and who have already a name.
By the way...i heard that Conde Hermanos lets the Sanchis Lopez brothers build some of their guitars and then sells them under the name of Conde.
Not sure if this is true but i heard this from many people also from the owner of a big flamenco guitar shop in Germany.
So if this is true, why should i go and buy a Conde ? am i stupid ?
Hi. I was hoping to find out some secrete about this by comparing many models and such. In the end, I feel that there is something in the pattented design of Conde that gives it a stronger mid range or something, assuming the guitars are made by some other company who's OWN best or comparable guitar does not stand up. The low end Conde's made by Sanchis, including one i know from Atocha that has the Sanchis stamp inside, are actually comparable in PRICE to the actual makers price. In other words, the $1700 Sanchis model that is similar to the low end Conde, or student model that is around or just under $2000. So sure a few hundered buck for the name and specific design.
But when you get to the concert guitars, sorry, I have not seen any Sanchis or other maker rumored to make Conde, that is the same at that higher price Range (4k+ about). I know Conde has jumped up since a while back, but now I feel there may be something to the design itself that sets it apart. Believe me, I was really hoping to find a guitar under 2K that corresponded to the sound of the A26/A25 (now going for 7k). The negras especially don't come close. The top sanchis I have played is around 4k, but it is not comparing to the A model Conde. Is the difference worth it? Well, to me it would be, depends on my budget. You can find a used Conde for around 4-5K, if you are lucky.
You might prefer the sound of the Sanchis in my vid to the sound of my conde, but all I can say is that it matters to me, I can feel it in the response. The Sanchis is fun to play and accompany with, since it is mainly strumming chords. But it does not compare "voice" wise to any of the conde's I have owned or tried in the concert price range. I would not do a solo recital with that guitar, unless I had no choice. Like most guitars, you notice the difference in the trebles more than anything.
And speaking of Trebles, I recorded more on that vid obviously, but the owner edited it down for time, and just picked his favorite parts I guess. I can't really remember anymore. I too am surprised this came up because I could not find the link either on the zavaleta site when my friend said he listed it. Regarding the specs, like I said it is not my guitar and I am not sure I can check out the details, but I do remember only one lable inside, and the owner pointing out details to me as mentioned about craftmanship.
Ricardo
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Date Jan. 13 2007 16:08:06
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legrec
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Joined: Jan. 26 2006
From: France
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RE: Gerundino played by Ricardo? (in reply to Arash)
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Bikhiyal,
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If they are really 7 times better than my 1000 Euro Sanchis Lopez, then i will definately pay 7000 Euros and buy one!
Now that I've been able to play and own expensive guitars, I must add that, in my humble opinion, things are not like that (price x 7 = quality x 7). Like in almost all "luxuous" things out there, when you come close to the "top range", the price is sort of exponential but not the quality or efficiency.
My Devoe, a 1996 like one that have been sold at 7750$ at Dan Zeff is not 8 times better than my Raimundo 145. Perhaps 4 times better - it's very hard to state anything because it's related to the piece, my playing, the mood of the guitar, etc.
But I want to add that even knowing this it's not possible to conclude that up to 3000$, all guitars are the same and you're only paying for the label ! (I've read this on another foro).
Top guitars really have a "magical" thing which inspires the player. I think Jim or Ron told something similar, and better than me, in an old post.
So I guess sometimes the price difference is really explained, even if the difference is subtle and not in a pure proportional relation between quality and price.
One somehow "recent" problem with guitars I think is big business and speculation, since the 70-80's : relation between price/fame/"quality" seems to be more and more confused. I feel that the relation between the cost of something and his "value" is getting everyday much foggy in our society. Fame and power of "imposition" (marketting, shop availability, etc) are working against the ability to estimate correctly the value of something depending on the price. And it's also working against small and "discrete" builders.
The best guitar I've ever played was made by an almost totally ignored builder from France. The worst (for the price) was probably a Conde...
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Date Jan. 13 2007 16:58:17
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