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RE: Buying a guitar in Spain
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Buying a guitar in Spain (in reply to orsonw)
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ORIGINAL: orsonw Moratito's shop in Jerez. I was told it is a new shop. When I was there Moraitio was selling some of his old guitars and some newer factory made models. His son was looking after the shop rather than building guitars. I can't tell if the Brune is the same as in the video but Moratio did say that it was given to him. He seemed reluctant to sell it. I'm flying to Freiberg to vist Johannes at Mundo flamenco. I wasn't imagining Germany as the place to buy a flamenco but it seems he has one of the best selections in Europe. You players in the US seem to have the best higher end guitars, either Spanish or US built. PS For those looking in London- the Jose Rodriguez Pena advertised here on the foro is a great guitar, unfortunatley a little too sweet for my tastes. I also tried a beaten up 1987 Manuel Bellido blanca at the Spanish guitar centre. The salesman's style put me off; I couldn't tell if it was for sale or for how much (too much it seemed). The one thing I have learned for sure in all of this- One cannot tell what a guitar is like without trying it for oneself. We all have different tastes, one man's great guitar may very well not suit another. It's very tempting to see a guitar online that seems it's for you and be wrong. I have learnt this the hard way. I now own a great Negra but it's not for me, I would not have bought it if I'd tried it first. I know I can sell it but it's a hassle. \ The Brune guitar is most probably the one he gave to Moraito when he was in Spain some years ago. But one thing I have found that works for some shops is to carry a set amount of cash and offer it to them; that is, if you find the guitar you want. But there is no way to guarantee a good guitar by searching all over Europe unless you just happen to stumble on one that is available, and then you have to pay the price because most shops know what they have and are satisfied to wait for their asking price. You will do better at a builder's shop than at a retail outlet, because the builder is always ready to deal if he has a back log. But I think what you are looking for is going to be next to impossible to find because most players have been there ahead of you. So, if you can find a builder who has a short wait list, and he is known as a great builder, then put in your order and hope for the best. There is a guitar maker in Mexico that is now making a Reyes style that is great, according to the distributor in Texas, and it is not that expensive, probably much less that you would spend on a Spanish instrument. And this distributor ships all over the world.
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Date Nov. 17 2009 8:21:08
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danilo
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RE: Buying a guitar in Spain (in reply to DoctorX2k2)
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This summer I was the first time visiting Granada.I had my room in just that Cuesta (€25.- per night ). that time Bellidos was closed the whole week, but I was visiting Diaz, who was very friendly and had very cool guitars.I loved his designs and I think I saw a Photo of Piementito in his shop. In Casa Ferrer they`ve been a bit uninteressted, so I didn´t try anything. The other Luthier there is German perez Barranco,where his son was in the shop,He was very friendly and always in the mood for a chat, but when I wanted to try a guitar (a primera) he gave me a cheap one with an action higher than any china guitar from the supermarket.I was like c`mon man thats ridiculous for a Flamenca and he was telling me it was because its a guitarra por juergas and that the gitanos love thoose guitars because it doesn`t matter when thy are drunk and something breaks!!(learned somthing new I guess) The next one was Daniel Gilles de valles..thats the biggest shop so far I´ve seen in Granada...never heard the Name before, but in two of my guiding books where photos of him. I also tried to find Marin Montero and Plazuelo but whenever i was there they were closed. In Malaga I was In malaga musical and I saw a guitar, asked if could try and got the answer.If you buy you can try!Then I asked for the adress of Pedro Maldonado,and she was asking why I want to see him......such a helpfull Lady!! The Maldonados were the nicest Luthiers I met very helpfull and friendly.I met all three and they showed me differnces in their style, told me a lot off old stories.So I decided to get one of Pedro junior in Torremolinos.The basic Maldonado is for 1500.- and the sound is like a primera, thats a good buy I really can recommend(I think I tried about 6 of them)
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Date Nov. 20 2009 7:34:06
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rogeliocan
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RE: Buying a guitar in Spain (in reply to DoctorX2k2)
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I looked into doing the same thing about 3 months ago because I am going to Analucia next spring. So I started looking for Spanish forums to talk with people from there. If you understand spanish you can check out the conversations I had as well as others had before me, the site is Artelinkado.com. My conclusion from all comments I got from other tocadores are: 1. Hand made guitars are expensive, the euro is so high. 2. You will have to pay duty unless you lie. Don't get caught. 3. For hand made, you need to pay $$$$$$ for big names so I wanted to go to less known guitar makers and try their guitars, a lot of time and work and travelling. 4. The guitar makers there, just like here, don't have a guitar ready for you, if they have available guitars, you should wonder why, so you have to order. 5. You will have to put the guitar on the plane, can be a rough ride. 6. The guitar once you get home, may not sound as good... una guitarra de Granada, suena en Granada. Just my thoughts. Finally I decided to look for luthiers here and visited them to try their sample guitars. I found one I really liked and ordered one. Hand made by one luthier who I trust his guitars will go up in cost and value within a few years. I'll have it in a year.
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Date Nov. 24 2009 5:13:37
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: Buying a guitar in Spain (in reply to DoctorX2k2)
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Some of the things you say are correct but here a few coments: 2. You will have to pay duty unless you lie. Don't get caught. If you are from outside Europe, you have to lie or pay. If from another EU country, you dont pay taxes duty etc. 4. The guitar makers there, just like here, don't have a guitar ready for you, if they have available guitars, you should wonder why, so you have to order. I have a guitar at home and for sale and I consider it to be one of my best guitars so far. Sometimes you build more than you sell, especially these days with economy the way it is. 6. The guitar once you get home, may not sound as good... una guitarra de Granada, suena en Granada. Well, I dont agree, a good guitar sounds good everywhere. But its always difficult to buy an instrument and bring it home.
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Date Nov. 24 2009 9:07:07
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