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Escribano
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From: England, living in Italy
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Back to basics, again
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My arpeggios suck on the return triplet, back down the scale. My ras is not progressing so I am back to basics. On the ras, I have been trying with two fingers only, i and m. Have you tried a continuous m-i-i ras? It's exasperating but I am sure if I crack it, it will help me with the others which allow each finger a little more time to get back the start position. Herrero does a killer 2 finger ras and rests his thumb on the 4th string for a ras on strings 1,2&3, the 5th string for 1,2,3 and 4 and the 6th string for 1,2,3,4,5. This stops the lowest strings sounding. Anyone else do this?
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Date Dec. 14 2003 19:41:07
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Phil
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From: Rota, Spain
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RE: Back to basics, again (in reply to Escribano)
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Still have a problem with the Granados p up- x down - i down - p up. I keep putting an extra p down before p up. He uses it for the Tangos, whilst Herrero uses a more trad. ras. Phil has encouraged me to stick with it to sound for Jerez. Pinkie is good! Simon, You must have me confused with someone else. I might have mentioned that, in his video, Merengue de Cordoba uses a p(up)-x(down)-p(down). Maybe that's where saw me mention something about the pinky. In Jerez the most common triplet that I've seen is p(up)- m(down) - p(down). It can be used anyplace, once you've developed it. I'm finally getting mine to where I'm happy with it. My teacher's son also uses a p(up)-m(down)-i(down), which is extremely awkward to me, but you might give it a try. My teacher seems to use only the p-m-p and a,m,i,i and he uses them interchangeably. Although, it's hard to tell by watching someone play exactly which fingers they're using unless they show you. If you develop those 2 rasgeados really well you may never need any others. If you have a problem with your pinky being weak from an injury, don't worry about it. A lot of guitarists don't even use their right pinky. It doesn't appear to me that Moraito uses it, for example. I've noticed from watching a variety of guitarists that they seem to use just 2 or 3 rasgeados patterns. They may be 100's of permutations, but you only need 2 or 3 well developed ones. Phil
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Date Dec. 14 2003 23:52:17
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Jon Boyes
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RE: Back to basics, again (in reply to Escribano)
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As you guys know, I have a finger co-ordination problem which constricts conventional ras, I can't do much with any of the normal finger-generated ones CAMI, AMII etc. However, I can do the the 'wrist-generated' ras: I use P-IM-P for triplets (actually P up, then IM down with IM welded together if you see what I mean, then P down). ..and I'm now finding some other solutions using the same wrist movement eg. CIP, all down, for a three stroke ras alternative to AMI, and CIPP for a four stroke (with the last P being an upstroke), or PCIP starting it with a P upstroke. My continous roll based on this sequence is not very good though, far too uneven at the moment: P(up)C(down)I(down)P(down) PCIPPCIP etc. When I get my studio set back up, I want to post some of this to get some feedback. Jon
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Date Dec. 15 2003 12:01:12
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Paleto
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From: San Diego, CA
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RE: Back to basics, again (in reply to Thomas Whiteley)
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I have pretty good guitar, a Plazuelo. If you haven't heard of him, he's a Granada maker, works in his uncles shop - Antonio Marin Montero. This particular one sounds really good, of course that means nothing until you've played it. I have a friend with a good $9,000 Rodriguez, built by Rodriguez himself, the Cordoba Rodriguez and my guitar sounds really great in the same room. I am not too concerned about having a cheap guitar, I am rather sure I have a pretty good one. It could be adjusted to lower the action a little though. That may make it easier. I always thought it was because the soft part of my index finger between the distal and proximal interphalangeal joints was perhaps causing the strings passing under it to be less well fretted. But there must be a solution.... Anthony
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Date Dec. 15 2003 23:00:42
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Paleto
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From: San Diego, CA
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RE: Back to basics, again (in reply to Escribano)
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Simon, The m,i,i is a tough one. I have been playing around with it. Tough to get them even, they are too close together. Do you just stay slow, with a metronome, say 60 bpm, to get them even? Be sure to try duplets, triplets and quadruplets, even quintuplets, that way you teach yourself good control of each finger. Also, do they strike the strings relatively perpendicular to the strings? Or somewhat across as well as down? Seems like if you approached it as above, should work after several days practicing slowly with a metronome... Could your posture, seat or fingernails be causing a problem? Anthony
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Date Dec. 15 2003 23:08:16
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