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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 3:48:33

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

ok

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well ANY tremolo by Pdl that ISN`T of his first record. His tremolo was quite sucky then

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 6:42:12

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

i like Sabicas' tremolo opening for example Alma Gaditana (solea). Nice and retro sounding!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 11:14:47

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

The one in cueva del gato by pdl. awesome song with great tremolo.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 11:39:33

Ron.M

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to guitartennis)

I love this PdL trem (recorded off the telly).

www.btinternet.com/~flamenco/pacotrem1.mp3

It's so eerie and haunting and I love how the bass seems to be detached from the melody line.

Voodoo!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 11:57:20

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Ron.M)

Ron, that link didn't seem to work. unless my computer's playing up..

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 12:57:49

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

Yeah Ron, the mp3 file is screwy. sounds like jibberish.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 13:04:18

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to ToddK)

Sorry Romanza y Todd....I've uploaded it again in a different res.
Use the edited link in my first post.
(The quality is terrible of course, since it was recorded holding a mic up to a TV loudspeaker.)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 13:27:46

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

Wow, thats like warp factor 11!!!

You dont hear tremelo played that fast these days.

Mostly slow, and more galloping and romantic.

I like both.

Man, Paco must have had that second cup of java when he woke up that day

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 13:35:01

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

That sounds like the trem from Sabicas' Malaguena. I think I like Paco Pena's tremolo the most, it has a nice balance of feel and precision.

I think Tomatito had a very beautiful trem on a rondena, maybe the one to his uncle.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 13:56:26

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

Pitingo, track 3 does it for me at the moment.
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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 14:27:34

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Crows)

PDL Tío Sabas, no question

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 15:13:32

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

Oracion by Manolo Sanlucar. By far, no1 for me.
Yerma by Gerardo Nuñez.

That Paco upload was as Miguel said probably note for note Sabicas. But the melody is obviously the Malagueña of LECUONA, not the real flamenco Malagueña.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 20:00:07

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

quote:

Oracion by Manolo Sanlucar. By far, no1 for me

Without a doubt the best ever.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 20:17:05

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

That Paco upload was as Miguel said probably note for note Sabicas.

Ricardo,
Well, not quite note for note...The Sabicas one is OK but a bit "dainty" to my ear, but nonetheless very very good.
Lot's of older players (e.g. Paco Peña etc) can play that one as a standard.

Paco's version, to me is pure voodoo!!

No one has ever played it like this.
(And he was only 21-22 at the time..

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Here's the full piece for those who haven't heard it.
As I said, I recorded it off the TV way back where he was a guest on a late night Spanish Society show from London, so the quality's poor, but the playing totally fantastic in the way that only Paco does....

I've never heard a record of it played the same way, although the early Paco/Ramon LP has a similar sound/delivery IMO.

As I said.... Voodoo!!

www.btinternet.com/~flamenco/PdL1969.mp3

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 20:44:36

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

quote:

Oracion by Manolo Sanlucar. By far, no1 for me.

I have to agree on that, that does it for me too. The trémolo from Jesús del Rosario´s Blanca is a favorite too, for something more recent but it doesnt come close to M. Sanlúcar.

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Paco's version, to me is pure voodoo!!

Yes, it´s great! Thanks for uploading that!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 20:57:16

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

Oracion by Manolo Sanlucar. Clean and well executed. The best I've heard.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2006 21:48:22

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Ron.M)

Paco was not always my favorite as far as tremolo, in terms of the technique, but he always had great expression anyways. Like when he did Ramon Montoya. A lot of what Paco did was more clear and intense, but the tremolo of Ramon was much stronger, cleaner, to me.

This Malaguena Paco was combining 2 arrangements together. Thanks for sharing it! I love Paco so much from that period. Arround this time he did almost that same arrangement, but for 5 GUITARISTS! That is really cool to hear too, they harmonize and do rhythm back up, even that tremolo is harmonized. Then Paco rips out those same picados at the end. Sounds like the guitar ensemble of the gods, but at the same time "too much of a good thing".

Ricardo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 13 2006 3:12:49

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Ricardo)

I think I've heard Gerardo Nunez play the tremelo from Yerma three times. Each time I was absolutely struck dumb. You'd think hearing it twice before (and countless times on the CD) would have prepared me, but not so. I remember there were quite a few gasps from other members of the audience too during the pauses.

I've heard Paco Pena's tremelo up close on one occasion when he was giving a talk, and his control is also impressive. He can suddenly halt the tempo or play very soft, all the time maintaining that perfectly even sound that you hear on his records. The Aire just drips from his fingers.

My favourite tremelo though has to be Vicente Amigo "Ventanas al Alma". It's as if the entire minera is a slow build up to that one sublime section.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 13 2006 6:01:43

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

for me Paco Pena also. Especially on his album: Flamenco guitar music of Ramon Montoya and Nino Ricardo.

but then again, I've never heard Oracion by Manolo Sanlucar, hehe

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 13 2006 8:10:00

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

I'm quite fond of the short tremolo interlude at 0:53 in "Mi Inspiracion", by PDL. But the whole song is great too IMO.

Sabicas does some good ones aswell.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2006 12:40:11

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

My absolute favorite is Oracion by Manolo Sanlucar on the Tauromagia album. In fact, I think this is one of the most beautiful and moving guitar pieces that I've ever heard in any genre.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2006 17:15:35

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to JBASHORUN)

quote:

I'm quite fond of the short tremolo interlude at 0:53 in "Mi Inspiracion", by PDL.

Borrowed from Sabicas, but he does in A major I think.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2006 22:10:38

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

quote:

I'm quite fond of the short tremolo interlude at 0:53 in "Mi Inspiracion", by PDL.
Borrowed from Sabicas, but he does in A major I think.

Ricardo, what Sabicas song did PDL borrow the tremolo interlude from? or does Sabicas have a version of Mi Inspiracion I haven't come across yet?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 22 2006 20:49:52

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

I wanted to upload my fav. tremolo, but seems I can't do that here.

Any ideas??............help

. Why do I suck at the computer?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2006 0:12:42

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to ykabban)

I also am unable to upload files
so I put them on savefile and then provide the linkhttp://www.savefile.com/

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2006 0:26:59

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RE: favorite tremolo poll (in reply to Guest)

Thanks c.

Other than live in concert, I've yet hear a tremolo come on in such devastating fashion as this one......

http://www.savefile.com/files/282725

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2006 0:46:12