Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes.

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koella

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Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes.

I discovered that I have a preference for Moraito and Quique paredes.
Does Anyone know any other players in that style ?
Is it called the Moorish style ?

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Florian

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

i have no idea what to call it but i kno what u mean, ps u must love Radio Tarifa ?

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koella

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

Radio Tarifa. How do I get there ?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 6:40:23

gerundino63

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

Hi Koella,

Moraito is playing the " moron"style.

Diego del Gastor is the "grandfather" of the style
Paco del Gastor, Diego de Moron, and a lot of others from Moron and Jerez are playing in that style. ( everybody learns from everybody)

Peter

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Florian

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to gerundino63)

quote:

Moraito is playing the " moron"style

nOw wait just a second there pal theres no need for name calling and stereotyping, we are all just us god made us.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 9:50:15

koella

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

I heard that before from you Peter.
But with the gastors I miss the catchy style. They sound a bit dull to me.

Are there more "modern "players in that style.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 10:40:08

duende

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

my girl friend calls me a "moron"

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 10:48:10

XXX

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

Recently, I discovered a new style. They call it "flamenco".

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 11:25:11

Rain

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

I think its called the "Jerez" sound.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 15:44:41

duende

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

I got the impression that Moraito is "jerez" style.

I got some vid call compas de Moron or something and theres no guitarist playing in a similar style as Moraito. Everybody plays like Diego del Gastor....he realy left his mark

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 18:14:19

koella

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

I'm getting more confused all the time.
So Moraito is Jerez. Do you know any other contemporary Jerez players. Is pepe Habichuela one ?

And Paredes, is he Jerez or is he Moron.

I think what I like is that North-african, oud like influence with much pulgar in it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 18:34:42

koella

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to Florian)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Florian
nOw wait just a second there pal theres no need for name calling and stereotyping, we are all just us god made us.

Oh yes Flo. Forgot to tell that I got my pants wet from this one.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 18:39:13

Escribano

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

quote:

Do you know any other contemporary Jerez players. Is pepe Habichuela one ?

No, Pepe couldn't be less so, he is a Granadino and very typical of that arpeggio/melodic style. Moraito is a very thumb-orientated Jerezano as his son.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 18:43:07

koella

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

Ok Simon. No other grat names in that style ?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 18:53:07

Escribano

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

Niño Jero, Diego Amaya, Paco Cepero, José Cala and Antonio Carrión are some I think, though I am not that certain of their lineage.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 19:24:08

koella

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

Thanks Simon. Now see if I can get some music from them.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 19:34:38

Florian

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 19:54:16

Escribano

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

Try El Capullo En Directo de Jerez for some ballsy Jerez thumbwork and all the rest. Goddamn the best for me outside of Camarón y Tomatito.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 19:56:00

chinito

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

"Capullo en Directo" is a smokin' album. Groovy Jerez bulerias up to sixteen minutes long. I like how Capullo sings them slower than a lot of cantaors these days. Diego Amaya and Nino Jero accompany and play in a really spare way which totally matches Capullo's cante.

Also see if you can find "Poderio" by Capullo and "Luna Mora" by el Torta. These are older albums produced by Pepe de Lucia which feature Moraito on guitar. Both are no-holds barred traditional albums and the guitar is more "raw" (?) sounding than the newer interpretations of Jerez style. Outstanding stuff.

More Jerez guitarists: Juan Diego, Alfreo Lagos, Domingo Rubichi, Antonio Jero (Nino Jero's older brother), Antonio Higuero, Santiago Moreno, Pascual de Lorca, Jesus Alvarez, Juan Moneo, Fernando Moreno.

Antonio Carrion and Quique Paredes are from Sevilla.

Another awesome player is Antonio Moya. He's originally from France, but moved to Spain and became the prize pupil of Pedro Bacan. He plays in the Lebrija/Utrera style which is kinda in between Jerez and Moron in some respects. He's got a tactile sound and is really sensitive to cante. Cool sense of melody and can swing from old-school and more modern sounds. He plays for Ines Bacan, Tomas de Perrate, Gaspar de Utrera, Pepa de Benito and occasionally with the Fernandez family.

-Jake.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 22:23:06

koella

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

Thank you Chinito !!

I'll try to find some music from them.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 22:28:26

Escribano

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to chinito)

Cool, thanks for the info and if Capullo En Directo isn't the best live CD since Camerón en Paris '87 with Tomatito I'll eat my cejilla!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 25 2006 22:28:53

Phil

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to gerundino63)

quote:

Moraito is playing the " moron"style.

Peter,
You'd probably get lynched if you said that in Jerez.

Moraito's father (Juan)and uncle (Manuel) studied with Javier Molina, who is considered the father of the Jerez style. Moraito is the quintiessence of the Jerez style.

Koella,
I wouldn't get too hung up on styles. There are excellent guitarist from all over. Tomatito is from Almeria; the Habichuelas, Granada; Paredes, Sevilla; PdL, Algerciras; etc, etc. Besides, the styles get blurred and mixed to the point where it becomes almost meaningless.

Phil

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 27 2006 7:47:03

gerundino63

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to Phil)

Hi Phil
Thanks for telling me!

Sorry for cursing in the church ,

Peter

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 27 2006 11:47:23

koella

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

Thanks Phil. I guess it just means listen to as much flamenco as I can and find out myself who resembles Paredes or Moraito.

Peter :

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 27 2006 19:42:45

Ricardo

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to Phil)

Yeah phil is right. Big difference between Jerez and Moron style. One of porhens books makes mention how the jerez singers refused to work with the moron guitarists.

Like he said Javier Molina starts it. Don't forget Parrilla, just as quintessential jerez style sound as the Morao's (Juan, Manuel, Moraito Chico, Diego del Morao). Gerardo Nunez is from jerez and can often reveal a bit of that flavor even though he is more modern and Pacoish. Watch him accompany a singer in a juerga and see the jerez style come out. There is a bit of it on his disc with Indio Gitano. Pepe Justicia is a modern player from jerez.

On Tomatito's album Paseo de los castanos, he accompanies the singers at the end in the "jerez" style, very different than he normally plays for other singers.

Ricardo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 28 2006 18:39:50

Armando

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RE: Players like Moraito and Quique ... (in reply to koella)

Hello

Juan Diego is also a guitarist from Jerez. He learned from Carbonero among others. I was already twice in the guitar school of "El Carbonero" in Jerez and i like the typical Jerez style he teaches.

Armando

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