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koella -> Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 24 2006 21:18:10)

I discovered that I have a preference for Moraito and Quique paredes.
Does Anyone know any other players in that style ?
Is it called the Moorish style ?



Florian -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 24 2006 21:51:47)

i have no idea what to call it but i kno what u mean, ps u must love Radio Tarifa ?



koella -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 6:40:23)

Radio Tarifa. How do I get there ?



gerundino63 -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 9:10:01)

Hi Koella,

Moraito is playing the " moron"style.

Diego del Gastor is the "grandfather" of the style
Paco del Gastor, Diego de Moron, and a lot of others from Moron and Jerez are playing in that style. ( everybody learns from everybody) [:D]

Peter



Florian -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 9:50:15)

quote:

Moraito is playing the " moron"style


nOw wait just a second there pal theres no need for name calling and stereotyping, we are all just us god made us.



koella -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 10:40:08)

I heard that before from you Peter.
But with the gastors I miss the catchy style. They sound a bit dull to me.

Are there more "modern "players in that style.



duende -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 10:48:10)

my girl friend calls me a "moron"[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]



XXX -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 11:25:11)

Recently, I discovered a new style. They call it "flamenco".



Rain -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 15:44:41)

I think its called the "Jerez" sound.



duende -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 18:14:19)

I got the impression that Moraito is "jerez" style.

I got some vid call compas de Moron or something and theres no guitarist playing in a similar style as Moraito. Everybody plays like Diego del Gastor....he realy left his mark



koella -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 18:34:42)

I'm getting more confused all the time.
So Moraito is Jerez. Do you know any other contemporary Jerez players. Is pepe Habichuela one ?

And Paredes, is he Jerez or is he Moron.

I think what I like is that North-african, oud like influence with much pulgar in it.



koella -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 18:39:13)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Florian
nOw wait just a second there pal theres no need for name calling and stereotyping, we are all just us god made us.



Oh yes Flo. Forgot to tell that I got my pants wet from this one.

[:D][:D][:D]



Escribano -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 18:43:07)

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Do you know any other contemporary Jerez players. Is pepe Habichuela one ?


No, Pepe couldn't be less so, he is a Granadino and very typical of that arpeggio/melodic style. Moraito is a very thumb-orientated Jerezano as his son.



koella -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 18:53:07)

Ok Simon. No other grat names in that style ?



Escribano -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 19:24:08)

Niño Jero, Diego Amaya, Paco Cepero, José Cala and Antonio Carrión are some I think, though I am not that certain of their lineage.



koella -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 19:34:38)

Thanks Simon. Now see if I can get some music from them.



Florian -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 19:54:16)

[:)]



Escribano -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 19:56:00)

Try El Capullo En Directo de Jerez for some ballsy Jerez thumbwork and all the rest. Goddamn the best for me outside of Camarón y Tomatito.



chinito -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 22:23:06)

"Capullo en Directo" is a smokin' album. Groovy Jerez bulerias up to sixteen minutes long. I like how Capullo sings them slower than a lot of cantaors these days. Diego Amaya and Nino Jero accompany and play in a really spare way which totally matches Capullo's cante.

Also see if you can find "Poderio" by Capullo and "Luna Mora" by el Torta. These are older albums produced by Pepe de Lucia which feature Moraito on guitar. Both are no-holds barred traditional albums and the guitar is more "raw" (?) sounding than the newer interpretations of Jerez style. Outstanding stuff.

More Jerez guitarists: Juan Diego, Alfreo Lagos, Domingo Rubichi, Antonio Jero (Nino Jero's older brother), Antonio Higuero, Santiago Moreno, Pascual de Lorca, Jesus Alvarez, Juan Moneo, Fernando Moreno.

Antonio Carrion and Quique Paredes are from Sevilla.

Another awesome player is Antonio Moya. He's originally from France, but moved to Spain and became the prize pupil of Pedro Bacan. He plays in the Lebrija/Utrera style which is kinda in between Jerez and Moron in some respects. He's got a tactile sound and is really sensitive to cante. Cool sense of melody and can swing from old-school and more modern sounds. He plays for Ines Bacan, Tomas de Perrate, Gaspar de Utrera, Pepa de Benito and occasionally with the Fernandez family.

-Jake.



koella -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 22:28:26)

Thank you Chinito !!

I'll try to find some music from them.



Escribano -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 25 2006 22:28:53)

Cool, thanks for the info and if Capullo En Directo isn't the best live CD since Camerón en Paris '87 with Tomatito I'll eat my cejilla!



Phil -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 27 2006 7:47:03)

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Moraito is playing the " moron"style.


Peter,
You'd probably get lynched if you said that in Jerez.[:D] Moraito's father (Juan)and uncle (Manuel) studied with Javier Molina, who is considered the father of the Jerez style. Moraito is the quintiessence of the Jerez style.

Koella,
I wouldn't get too hung up on styles. There are excellent guitarist from all over. Tomatito is from Almeria; the Habichuelas, Granada; Paredes, Sevilla; PdL, Algerciras; etc, etc. Besides, the styles get blurred and mixed to the point where it becomes almost meaningless.

Phil



gerundino63 -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 27 2006 11:47:23)

Hi Phil
Thanks for telling me![:D]
Sorry for cursing in the church ,[:)]

Peter



koella -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 27 2006 19:42:45)

Thanks Phil. I guess it just means listen to as much flamenco as I can and find out myself who resembles Paredes or Moraito.

Peter : [8|]

[:D]



Ricardo -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Aug. 28 2006 18:39:50)

Yeah phil is right. Big difference between Jerez and Moron style. One of porhens books makes mention how the jerez singers refused to work with the moron guitarists.

Like he said Javier Molina starts it. Don't forget Parrilla, just as quintessential jerez style sound as the Morao's (Juan, Manuel, Moraito Chico, Diego del Morao). Gerardo Nunez is from jerez and can often reveal a bit of that flavor even though he is more modern and Pacoish. Watch him accompany a singer in a juerga and see the jerez style come out. There is a bit of it on his disc with Indio Gitano. Pepe Justicia is a modern player from jerez.

On Tomatito's album Paseo de los castanos, he accompanies the singers at the end in the "jerez" style, very different than he normally plays for other singers.

Ricardo



Armando -> RE: Players like Moraito and Quique Paredes. (Sep. 22 2006 14:48:11)

Hello

Juan Diego is also a guitarist from Jerez. He learned from Carbonero among others. I was already twice in the guitar school of "El Carbonero" in Jerez and i like the typical Jerez style he teaches.

Armando



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