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RobF

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RE: Lateral tautness (in reply to rombsix

When I look at a bracing pattern the first thing I check is how well it couples to the bridge. Then I look at how it's supporting the area between the bridge and soundhole and then how it's behaving structurally in general.

I don't know why people focus so heavily on bracing patterns. I find all the X-ray pictures that tend to show up on threads a bit tedious. Not because they aren't relevant but because they are giving far too much credence to one single aspect of what makes a guitar work.

I mean, ask yourself, why do people ascribe certain sonic characteristics to a maker? Do the instruments actually have a commonality? If so, why? Santos famously experimented with bracing, so did Bellido, so did many others over the space of their careers. On the other hand, Torres appeared to adopt a fairly consistent approach. As did others. To me, this suggests the bracing pattern isn't the overarching ingredient in determining the defining characteristic of a maker's work. On the other hand, could it be a maker's instruments actually have lots of different characteristics and it's just the label that biases the listener? If that is the case, what does that tell us about patterns?

If you want to copy a maker, I think start with their plantilla. Then try to understand how they approached the top, side and back thicknesses. Then adjust the bracing to the wood of the top. I think it all matters. But I think the bracing pattern itself, as long as it's intelligently executed, matters far less than it's often given credit for.
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orsonw

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RE: Lateral tautness (in reply to estebanana

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Same as Moya’s.


Maybe it is the same guitar? I got mine in 2023. Pomegrante headstock, machine tuners.

Wouldn't be first time. I once owned Tomatito's 1987 Conde that he had previously loaned to Antonio Moya. There are several videos of Moya using it.
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estebanana

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RE: Lateral tautness (in reply to orsonw

Moya’s guitar had no purfling, just rosewood binding. Everything was very reductive, not decorated in any way, as if Bellido was paring it down to essentials to cut time and cost to build. Moya probably got a deep discount.

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estebanana

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RE: Lateral tautness (in reply to RobF

Unpopular opinion:

Torres was a terrible decoration designer

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estebanana

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RE: Lateral tautness (in reply to RobF

I agree on brace plan for flamenco up until Daniel Friederich mature design and the things that came after. Those are not suited to flamenco. I can elaborate

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RobF

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RE: Lateral tautness (in reply to estebanana

I think lattice can work for flamenco, but it's a hard sell so why bother.
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