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Stu

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What level player!?!? 

Always wondered how one is to truly know what their 'level' is? (and yeah im not sure it really matters so im not that hung up on this but just a thought that popped in to my head a few times recently)

beginner, intermediate, advanced.

beginner was always easy. you know if youve just started right?

but intermediate or advanced always made me wonder.

You see classes or lessons, Flamenco guitar 'beginner class'...ok youre a noob. easy!

at what point does beginner become intermediate, and what point does intermediate become advanced!?!
cant be on years played. so what else? is there any pieces you could say 'right you can play that, youre advanced' but even that seems a flawed gauge.

any thoughts?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 19 2025 21:24:58
 
rombsix

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RE: What level player!?!? (in reply to Stu

Picado speed.

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Arash

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RE: What level player!?!? (in reply to Stu

I wouldn't necessarily say it's picado speed.
It is quite complicated with flamenco.

I mean Moraito for instance wasn't particularly famous for his picado speed, but just perfect aire and compas, powerful playing, getting the max out of each single note.

I also think accompanying singers, dancers is an art in itself and probably lots of "advanced" players who only focused on solo guitar and even having great technique and compas, might be lost if they haven't focused on accompaniment and practiced that with singers.

I have seen so called "beginners" who focused on fundamentals and have those right (good compas, etc.) with inferior speed and technique compared to some advanced players, but some players with advanced and fast technique who lack compas, the right aire and feel etc.
Basically unbalanced progress.

And I think "years" actually DO matter. Even if some of those years were not that productive. The more you listen to flamenco, the more you "get" it imo. If those years were used to practice and play, the better the years.

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Stu

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RE: What level player!?!? (in reply to rombsix

ok let's have some numbers ramzi!

Arash, I think.... hes joking.


Are you ramzi?

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silddx

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RE: What level player!?!? (in reply to Stu

He was definitely joking!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 20 2025 12:09:31
 
Stu

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RE: What level player!?!? (in reply to Arash

quote:

And I think "years" actually DO matter. Even if some of those years were not that productive. The more you listen to flamenco, the more you "get" it imo. If those years were used to practice and play, the better the years.


I agree, but i think i was thinking about someone whos played poorly for 20 years will be less high level than someone whos played well and intensely for 5. so room for nuance in that measuring method
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JasonM

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RE: What level player!?!? (in reply to Stu

Tell you what, it took a long time for compás / rhythm to sink in for this American gringo. To be able to feel it for once and not be intimidated by it. Felt very liberating when that happened and took years and years to settle in

So I think that is one criteria for leveling up towards being a Jedi. Feeling the force... Not that i'm completely there
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 20 2025 18:03:57
 
Piwin

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RE: What level player!?!? (in reply to Stu

Beginner: Oscar Herrero tabs

Intermediate: Accompanying dance class

Advanced: La Barrossa

Supersaiyan: doing the helicopter dance with two guitars

God: La Barrossa while doing the helicopter dance with two guitars

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rombsix

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RE: What level player!?!? (in reply to Stu

quote:

Are you ramzi?


Indeed.

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mecmachin

 

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RE: What level player!?!? (in reply to Stu

advanced player once you can afford a Conde
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