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What kind of chords this guy uses? They are not similar to PDLs. Very different shapes and sound. PDL uses a mix of Jazz and classical, then what do we make of DDM?
RE: Diego del morao chords (in reply to metalhead)
he plays allways the same stuff, fast power chord, "flamenco" "jazz" chords arriba medio but smooth, lot of work on the Basses with jerez style, allways smooth, but balances with harder rasgeo/golpe/aire/soniquete
If you watch carefully he doesnt play anything new , its just rebrading lot of Tomatito stuff and his father , but in his style a modern jerez or so in my opinion Its nice to ear one or two
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RE: Diego del morao chords (in reply to metalhead)
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ORIGINAL: metalhead
What kind of chords this guy uses? They are not similar to PDLs. Very different shapes and sound. PDL uses a mix of Jazz and classical, then what do we make of DDM?
you really need to be specific, these generalizations can be considered really wrong, but in fact you could be hearing a specific thing that we need context for. Here is an early falseta I learned that is pretty much following PDL footsteps, but at the time was very fresh and new. I put it with Tomatito's idea as it was the similar idea:
I know that first one, was actually gonna upload in a few days. But how do you know it's PDL's footsteps? The chords seem very different in that falseta for example
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RE: Diego del morao chords (in reply to metalhead)
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I know that first one, was actually gonna upload in a few days. But how do you know it's PDL's footsteps? The chords seem very different in that falseta for example
The bulerias in C# phrygian I first realized about was from Vicente and I thought it was novel at the time (1996 when I was learning), however I soon discovered video of PDL playing in C# and realized just how long he had been doing the toque this way. Basically the buleria for Cameron with Tomatito in the mid 80s and later his iconic solo on Zyryab (Soniquete) provide the model, and he upgraded it over the years since. He pulled that material out for his solo in 2010 that you can see on video. Some of those sliding cadences in inversion (D/F#-C#/E# first position) come from other pieces like La barrosa, but the basic chording model is Paco's idea. They are basically playing in "Rondeña" tonality with standard tuning and it provides new material. But it goes back to a guy named Velez (see Manolo Sanlucar Granaina on YouTube in this key), which replaces 4 por medio.
Paco transports falsetas between the two keys. throughout his career which is also instructive. I address two of these in the Paco Tutorial 3.
Here this topic came up once and I show some evoloution from fairly ordinary toward what you might view as exotic:
Jumping ahead in the timeline from the above evolution, guys in Caño roto started taking Paco's ideas and expanding it with a drop C#. Tuto here quotes Paco at 2:04, and Jesus del Rosario as well at 4:30, and this idea later inspired DIEGO to re-configure his own solo piece (including part of the falseta I played years ago) with the expanded drop C#. That is how the influence and evolution goes in flamenco. Ideas on top of ideas.
so at 43:00 I show the same falsetas of the tutorial transported from A (por medio) to C#
RE: Diego del morao chords (in reply to hxwhf72752003)
the only balls to lick are for Paco...
The Diego unique style is what makes me to not listen to him for quite a time in a row. I put his CD with some diferent palos and sounds all the same , great for background music if youre not listen with care.
I will say, rigidity is the worst thing about flamenco. Ofcourse, diego is nowhere around PDL, but so what. Everybody in music has a different story to say. Listen to this seguiriyas:
RE: Diego del morao chords (in reply to metalhead)
i can explain to you , its the saturation of the jazzy chords like some Tomatito, and the saturation on the basses . I enjoy from time to time , but cant listen a lot , like tomatito "Paseo de los Castanos" , i enjoy some but for me its hard to listen all... , i have the "Aguadulce" and its more moderate i can listen "Rosas del amor" all day baby...
BTW listen to jazz manouche/Gipsy jazz can be also hard , some in a row and thats it...
Joe Pass , Benson , Montgomery , and regular traditional flamenco with some hints can listen all day or anytime regular swing be boop guitar jazz its also very nice to listen in a row
RE: Diego del morao chords (in reply to metalhead)
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What kind of chords this guy uses?
I always thought Diego did Jerezano things. Personally I don't care what kind of chords he uses. It's not that important. What counts is the Jerez rhythm.
Anyhow, the origin of the Jerez style is as follows:
Maestro Patiño -> Paco el Barbero -> Javier Molina -> Manuel Morao -> ...
There was a guy called Antonio Sol. J. Molina learnt from him as well. Antonio Sol was also a student of Maestro Patiño. He was a rising star back then. Sadly he died young.
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RE: Diego del morao chords (in reply to hxwhf72752003)
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I can't feel it. Maybe because I am not familiar with Fuente y Caudal
Yet you state this or that "has a different vibe"....compared to what exactly? Anyway, you see, there was once upon a time this guy named Paco de Lucía that had a song called "Entre dos Aguas", you should check it out.
RE: Diego del morao chords (in reply to metalhead)
According to AFUC all chords are now American Chords. Sorry we’re running the show and renaming everything. We’ve levied a tarriff on all non American chords.
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RE: Diego del morao chords (in reply to hxwhf72752003)
Diego is taking from this thing at 1:36, from Fuente y Caudal originally, although this video came before the album it is the same year, and Diego does his remate with the F major chord Paco first used at :30. He plays lots of PDL note for note, as did his father, and even invite the guy to do a duet on his album....my main point is this "jerez" thing, for me certainly can be found in Manuel Morao, but also people like Cepero, Parrilla and even Nuñez and others, but when people get all like "oooo that is THE jerez thing", and then they point to Diego and father, I look and see them interpreting Paco's stuff, only slower. That ain't right. Yes there is a jerez thing and THAT ain't it. Yes there are personal things too but that is usually nothing more than THE WAY the thing is played, like slow or with swing, softer, louder etc.
RE: Diego del morao chords (in reply to metalhead)
Ok. It looks like you guys are eager to know the chords Diego uses. I would be interested to know the typical colors of flamenco sounding chords. After knowing this one can create his own flamenco chords. We usually add flat 9, which is I think a part of Phrygian mode. How about #11? I read a lot about #11 which comes from Lydian mode. What tension notes can we add? Do flamencos use mostly altered chords?
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