metalhead -> Diego del morao chords (May 6 2025 16:21:35)
What kind of chords this guy uses? They are not similar to PDLs. Very different shapes and sound. PDL uses a mix of Jazz and classical, then what do we make of DDM?
Stu -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 6 2025 17:51:14)
I think paco chords are called Clazz chords and ddm is called Jassical
hxwhf72752003 -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 6 2025 18:53:49)
I agree. His style is unique. One of my friends told me that his style is more "pop"[:D] I think his feeling of compas is smooth and special
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 6 2025 23:43:19)
he plays allways the same stuff, fast power chord, "flamenco" "jazz" chords arriba medio but smooth, lot of work on the Basses with jerez style, allways smooth, but balances with harder rasgeo/golpe/aire/soniquete
If you watch carefully he doesnt play anything new , its just rebrading lot of Tomatito stuff and his father , but in his style a modern jerez or so in my opinion Its nice to ear one or two
knock yourself out
metalhead -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 8:01:49)
you chose the wrong falsetas
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 9:40:41)
no i dont , its all the same stuff with some variations , he didnt invented the whell
Ricardo -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 11:34:27)
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ORIGINAL: metalhead
What kind of chords this guy uses? They are not similar to PDLs. Very different shapes and sound. PDL uses a mix of Jazz and classical, then what do we make of DDM?
you really need to be specific, these generalizations can be considered really wrong, but in fact you could be hearing a specific thing that we need context for. Here is an early falseta I learned that is pretty much following PDL footsteps, but at the time was very fresh and new. I put it with Tomatito's idea as it was the similar idea:
metalhead -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 12:00:49)
I know that first one, was actually gonna upload in a few days. But how do you know it's PDL's footsteps? The chords seem very different in that falseta for example
Ricardo -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 12:21:44)
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ORIGINAL: metalhead
I know that first one, was actually gonna upload in a few days. But how do you know it's PDL's footsteps? The chords seem very different in that falseta for example
The bulerias in C# phrygian I first realized about was from Vicente and I thought it was novel at the time (1996 when I was learning), however I soon discovered video of PDL playing in C# and realized just how long he had been doing the toque this way. Basically the buleria for Cameron with Tomatito in the mid 80s and later his iconic solo on Zyryab (Soniquete) provide the model, and he upgraded it over the years since. He pulled that material out for his solo in 2010 that you can see on video. Some of those sliding cadences in inversion (D/F#-C#/E# first position) come from other pieces like La barrosa, but the basic chording model is Paco's idea. They are basically playing in "Rondeña" tonality with standard tuning and it provides new material. But it goes back to a guy named Velez (see Manolo Sanlucar Granaina on YouTube in this key), which replaces 4 por medio.
Paco transports falsetas between the two keys. throughout his career which is also instructive. I address two of these in the Paco Tutorial 3.
Here this topic came up once and I show some evoloution from fairly ordinary toward what you might view as exotic:
Jumping ahead in the timeline from the above evolution, guys in Caño roto started taking Paco's ideas and expanding it with a drop C#. Tuto here quotes Paco at 2:04, and Jesus del Rosario as well at 4:30, and this idea later inspired DIEGO to re-configure his own solo piece (including part of the falseta I played years ago) with the expanded drop C#. That is how the influence and evolution goes in flamenco. Ideas on top of ideas.
so at 43:00 I show the same falsetas of the tutorial transported from A (por medio) to C#
hxwhf72752003 -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 16:07:56)
Morante -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 16:21:50)
Does it matter?
Ricardo -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 16:38:44)
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In addition, Diego's music has a different vibe.
Taranta intro is almost a note for note quote of Paco's Fuente y Caudal.
hxwhf72752003 -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 16:41:56)
I can't feel it. Maybe because I am not familiar with Fuente y Caudal[:)]
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 16:56:44)
the only balls to lick are for Paco...
The Diego unique style is what makes me to not listen to him for quite a time in a row. I put his CD with some diferent palos and sounds all the same , great for background music if youre not listen with care.
hxwhf72752003 -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 17:19:25)
[:D]
metalhead -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 17:26:32)
I will say, rigidity is the worst thing about flamenco. Ofcourse, diego is nowhere around PDL, but so what. Everybody in music has a different story to say. Listen to this seguiriyas:
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 17:46:43)
i can explain to you , its the saturation of the jazzy chords like some Tomatito, and the saturation on the basses . I enjoy from time to time , but cant listen a lot , like tomatito "Paseo de los Castanos" , i enjoy some but for me its hard to listen all... , i have the "Aguadulce" and its more moderate i can listen "Rosas del amor" all day baby...
BTW listen to jazz manouche/Gipsy jazz can be also hard , some in a row and thats it...
Joe Pass , Benson , Montgomery , and regular traditional flamenco with some hints can listen all day or anytime regular swing be boop guitar jazz its also very nice to listen in a row
Just personal taste
devilhand -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 18:27:35)
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What kind of chords this guy uses?
I always thought Diego did Jerezano things. Personally I don't care what kind of chords he uses. It's not that important. What counts is the Jerez rhythm.
Anyhow, the origin of the Jerez style is as follows:
Maestro Patiño -> Paco el Barbero -> Javier Molina -> Manuel Morao -> ...
There was a guy called Antonio Sol. J. Molina learnt from him as well. Antonio Sol was also a student of Maestro Patiño. He was a rising star back then. Sadly he died young.
metalhead -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 19:30:04)
I see you've filled all the gaps, the original one has a lot of gaps
Ricardo -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 21:18:56)
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ORIGINAL: metalhead
I see you've filled all the gaps, the original one has a lot of gaps
What original, and what did I fill gaps "with" do you think?[:D]
Ricardo -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 21:25:45)
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I can't feel it. Maybe because I am not familiar with Fuente y Caudal
Yet you state this or that "has a different vibe"....compared to what exactly? Anyway, you see, there was once upon a time this guy named Paco de Lucía that had a song called "Entre dos Aguas", you should check it out. [8|]
metalhead -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 21:27:43)
This one has a slightly different nuance in a few places, I'm not aware if Diego played it different elsewhere
Ricardo -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 7 2025 21:41:16)
It is much the same but original version:
estebanana -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 8 2025 4:56:19)
According to AFUC all chords are now American Chords. Sorry we’re running the show and renaming everything. We’ve levied a tarriff on all non American chords.
* AFUC. American Flamenco Union of Chordists
hamia -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 8 2025 6:15:08)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
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In addition, Diego's music has a different vibe.
Taranta intro is almost a note for note quote of Paco's Fuente y Caudal.
They sound different to me
Manitas de Lata -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 8 2025 9:36:41)
What makes him "unique" , what people look for him , is those slides (as Ricardo told before) with the basses etc
hxwhf72752003 -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 8 2025 10:32:30)
Diego's vibe is a little “dark and damp”. such as his solea por bulerias 《Ganania》 and his seguiriyas.
PDL is famous in China because his rumba《Entre dos Aguas》But I started to listen his songs about two years ago. I like his bulerias《volar》
metalhead -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 8 2025 10:34:59)
Well that's what. Only hearing this now.
Ricardo -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 8 2025 11:46:46)
Diego is taking from this thing at 1:36, from Fuente y Caudal originally, although this video came before the album it is the same year, and Diego does his remate with the F major chord Paco first used at :30. He plays lots of PDL note for note, as did his father, and even invite the guy to do a duet on his album....my main point is this "jerez" thing, for me certainly can be found in Manuel Morao, but also people like Cepero, Parrilla and even Nuñez and others, but when people get all like "oooo that is THE jerez thing", and then they point to Diego and father, I look and see them interpreting Paco's stuff, only slower. That ain't right. Yes there is a jerez thing and THAT ain't it. Yes there are personal things too but that is usually nothing more than THE WAY the thing is played, like slow or with swing, softer, louder etc.
devilhand -> RE: Diego del morao chords (May 8 2025 12:12:54)
Ok. It looks like you guys are eager to know the chords Diego uses. I would be interested to know the typical colors of flamenco sounding chords. After knowing this one can create his own flamenco chords. We usually add flat 9, which is I think a part of Phrygian mode. How about #11? I read a lot about #11 which comes from Lydian mode. What tension notes can we add? Do flamencos use mostly altered chords?
