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oc chuck

 

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Gerundino? 

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2025 8:41:15
 
gerundino63

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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to oc chuck

The heelblock seems to be cut off to straight, no stamp on the heelblock?
Are ther stamps at the inside of the guitar, under the soundboard?
A carved stamp at the back of the headstock?
Probably late 90Ties as far as I can see from the little amount of pictures.
Than it is probbably not finished by Gerundino himself i think

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2025 9:04:00
 
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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to oc chuck

A clear photo of the outline of the body and the head stock, and the heel would help. He had a particular plantilla and headstock.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2025 9:45:12
 
oc chuck

 

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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to gerundino63

The label is dated 1990
There is a stamp under the soundboard
I have seen earlier Gerundinos with the same
rough square cut foot

I'll look again for another stamp

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2025 9:49:17
 
gerundino63

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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to oc chuck

1990 is supposed still from him, maybe with some help, but perfect guitar.
I had one from 1990, and one from 1967 played a lot from the 70ties too. The 1990 are a bit bigger sounding with more sustain, I liked my 1990 the most.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2025 13:57:50
 
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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to oc chuck

It's not made by Gerundino himself if this is the question.
It can be good sounding (it often is) but hardly the same as a guitar made by the man himself.
The bracing and the plantilla are the same as Gerundino's late guitars and so different from the company produced guitars from '98 on.
In my opinion this guitar has been made entirely (or for the most part) by a luthier based in Almeria.

Just my 2 cents: I still own an '86 Gerundino and I used to own a late one like this and a 98 one: obviously I can't know how good is actually your guitar, and I base my opinion just on the guitars I have experience of etc.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2025 19:15:49
 
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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to estebanana

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

A clear photo of the outline of the body and the head stock, and the heel would help. He had a particular plantilla and headstock.


agreed. And please start a third new thread called "gerundino? For real??" in order to post any more pics.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 15 2025 17:03:36
 
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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

And please start a third new thread called "gerundino? For real??" in order to post any more pics.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 15 2025 22:15:41
 
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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to Ricardo

If you want to know him buy "Gerundö Fernández: biografía de un guitarrero¨.Paco Urrrutia, su sobrino.

Or pasa una tarde in his salon with a brik of Don Simon, talking about guitars as I came to know him and Josefa.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 16 2025 16:35:11
 
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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to Ricardo

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And please start a third new thread called "gerundino? For real??" in order to post any more pics


Urgent plea or biting sarcasm? YOU decide!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 18 2025 5:42:30
 
hxwhf72752003

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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to oc chuck

There were some luthiers help Gerundino to make guitars when he was old. Emilio Fernandez and Juan Miguel Gonzalez are two that I know.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 18 2025 6:32:44
 
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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to oc chuck

FYI,
From a virtual Flamenco Guitar Museum

https://www.flamenco-guitar.net/museum/gerundino-fernandez/gerundino-fernandez-1988-guitar-1/

My guitar is 660/53.5 mm.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 18 2025 9:04:02
 
oc chuck

 

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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to estebanana

Just before going to bed I found my guitar!

https://guitarsforsale.biz/en/producto/gerundino-fernandez/

Exact match of the coloring, front, back, sides and back
of the neck with a small faint stamp back of the headstock.
Also the repairs match. Only discrepancy is the listed
nut width.

I know this doesn't prove it was made by G.F. but it will do for now.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 18 2025 9:50:07
 
Echi

 

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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to oc chuck

Does it really matter to you? For what purpose?
Yours is a “late Gerundino”, but not as late as those completely outsourced to a shop.
It’s a luthier made guitar but in the 90 Gerundino wasn’t productive so it’s probably partly or totally outsourced, the neck is pre-carved, the rosettes are made somewhere else etc.
The problem in this grey area is consistency: If the guitars sounds good, that’s it.
If the 2 transverse bars are made of cedar, and you have a large burn stamp in the inner foot, the guitar is more likely built by the man himself.
To me your guitar looks more like a Cruz-Berga or a Rodriguez Orozco or a Gonzales.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 19 2025 10:51:37
 
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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to Echi

quote:

It’s a luthier made guitar but in the 90 Gerundino wasn’t productive so it’s probably partly or totally outsourced, the neck is pre-carved, the rosettes are made somewhere else etc.


In 1995 he made 4 guitars, 1996 3 guitars y se jubiló. 1997 fué operado de cáculos y fractura de femur.
Any guitar later than 1996 was not made by Gerundino.

His son makes guitars and claims that he spent much time in the taller and so learned by watching. This claim should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Somehow the name Gonzalez always turns up but we should remember that the family Gonzalez make great guitars and were friends of Gerundino from the beginning. In those days, Almería was a pueblo and lleno de luthiers, following Torres.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 19 2025 16:16:34
 
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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to oc chuck

The pictures of Gerundino in the little book about him say more than many words.
Also it’s to be said that the luthiers of Almeria (Torres aside) are in debt with Eladio Fernandez .
The dad of Miguel Gonzales used to work for Gerundino and Eladio as the other luthiers I mentioned but Gerundino was clearly ahead at he time. Miguel hijo didn’t do too much in the eighties: Eladio involved these luthiers more and more when Gerundino couldn’t be consistent.
Gerundino’s son has stolen with his eyes the job but then he took a different path; later he was helped by Cruzberga to catch up. I am not enough familiar with the guitars he makes.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 19 2025 20:45:42
 
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RE: Gerundino? (in reply to Morante

quote:

ORIGINAL: Morante


In 1995 he made 4 guitars, 1996 3 guitars y se jubiló. 1997 fué operado de cáculos y fractura de femur.
Any guitar later than 1996 was not made by Gerundino.

His son makes guitars and claims that he spent much time in the taller and so learned by watching. This claim should be taken with a pinch of salt.




There you go with the salty fingers again. Always with the salt 🧂

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