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Here's the transcription from Alain Faucher thanks to François33850 at guitareclassiquedelcamp.com
Bonjour,
Greeting from Lyon France =)
Asked this question on musicstackexchange and nobody seems sure about it.
Not even sure of the formulation because searching for "guitar tablature oamip" return zero google's result.
Tablature image from "A mi Padre" El Nino Miguel Transcription Alain Faucher @2003 AFFEDIS The thumb is called p, the index is i, the middle is m and the ring finger is a (french p = pouce , i = index , m = majeur, a = annulaire)
Do you play this like a rasgueado with all 5 fingers? And what the o stands for ? its not the pinky ?
Or does the "o" stands for "ongle" = "nail" in french ,meaning it's a rasgueado with 4 fingers and playing it down with the nails not up with the flesh.
Thank you for the support. Have a nice day Regards Louis
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RE: Guitar tablature Flamenco : How ... (in reply to LouisGuitar)
Don't know this piece but when we concider the errow printed on top of it O seems to represent the little finger, resulting in suportive strokes (addressing the thump) in downwards direction starting with the little finger and ending with the thump. The thump is the most important/prominent one and landing on the beat and the other fingers are rather supportive and played in a overleaping way in front of it (so it might even stand for overleap :-).
Isn't there an index in the book explaining O ? There are various covers on YouTube so have a look how they play it.
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RE: Guitar tablature Flamenco : How ... (in reply to LouisGuitar)
The "o" stands for the pinky in this case, there is no universal agreement on what should be used. I personally use "e", but I've seen all kinds of vowels. It doesn't really matter as you only have 5 fingers and Pami are already taken.
In this specific case, the first oamip which has an arrow through it is not a rasgueado in the traditional sense. You do flick your fingers and they do make a sound, but the emphasis is on the P finger going through the strings. If you listen very closely in the original recording at around 1:51, you'll hear that it's not a rasgueado, it's "dirt" that is there to create atmosphere.
You'll see this in many transcriptions, and others will conveniently ignore and not mark it at all. I like to think of it as a triplet 8th or 16th before the line and the P falls on the beat. I will mark it accordingly in my tabs, or sometimes I'll use the ghost note feature in Guitar Pro, it very much depends on the circumstances and most importantly the tempo.
The second one where it says "ras" it's an amii↓ rasgueado. Alain tends to use "ras" a lot and will not elaborate further, so you either figure it out yourself or just make an educated guess. I looked at the video on YT Niño playing the piece and it confirmed to me it was an amii↓, but in this musical environment and knowing the palo it makes the most sense to me anyways. It could've been eami too, or eamii↓, or P↓mpP↓ or PaiP.
RE: Guitar tablature Flamenco : How ... (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)
Bonjour Xirdneh,
Thank you very much for all the precisions its a goldmine .
And so do you have a guess on why he uses the o for the pinky ,what do you think o means ?
Thanks to you again got the way the oamip has to be played just like you said it's just a 5 fingers down with almost no percussions
You can hear it here at 02:14 : it match the tablature sample image of first post
And here's the detailed technic tutorial looks like it is also commonly called camip
Still i am confused with the ras since Mr Faucher wrote specifically on the index it means oami , you says it could also mean amii↓ and in this cover video not sure but looks like it plays it oamii↓ on this specific bar and oami most of the cover ^^ (check out the very intro at 00:05) So you just pick it randomly the way you like to play it with not really a precise method i guess .
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RE: Guitar tablature Flamenco : How ... (in reply to LouisGuitar)
The oamiP is a little bit misleading, because the pinky doesn't have to be used. In fact I only use amiP and most of the guitarists I transcribe do as well. The guy in the above video shows it well, but I maintain that it shouldn't be called a rasgueado - in my mind at least.
I don't know specifically why "o" was used for the little finger. In Guitar Pro it gives it as "c". The guy above does as well. I don't even know why I'm using "e", I saw it somewhere and stuck with it. Don't get stuck in insignificant details :)
Faucher's "ras" markings confused me for a long time. I wouldn't say it's random and also he should be marking these in more detail. The best you can do really is to keep learning and watching flamenco and some of these things will come automatically. You can try all the combinations you know and you should see what feels natural, and especially what sounds right.
Some rasgueados naturally have a more aggressive tone (Pmp), some are less aggressive and are more controlled (Pai). Some really just fit into certain contexts (like eami i↓eam i i↓ in alegrías or soleá) and some are quite universal (amii↓). The rasgueado using the pinky (eamii↓ or eami) is considered quite "old school", but still many people use it, especially when playing quintuplets. I use it in the aforementioned alegrías example because it lessens the tension on the right hand and still sounds right - can be very useful in an accompaniment context where there can be a lot do and right hand economics are important.
RE: Guitar tablature Flamenco : How ... (in reply to LouisGuitar)
Like said in this case the most important part is the thump stroke which is played prominent or as my teacher would say (pushet) into the guitar. The fingers are played to support/introduce the thumpstroke and are indeed played for atmosferic reasons only, comparable with playing the tremolo kind of >>>>P additief in for instance soleares like
I'dd hasitate to call it a rasgueado as wel although technically speaking each separate stroke is called a rasgueado. Speaking about separate, in this case the fingers are not played as individual separate strokes but more like a unit, not as extreme as being 1 giant finger falling/pushed down but kind of letting your hand fall while spreading the sound using a mild kind of rasgueado. You could call it a rasguesldo light or "of the record". How many fingers/strings are involved is up to you (the little finger might or might not be included).
There is one video on YouTube where you can see the master play it himself. Unfortunately the right hand just disappears out of sight at that verry moment but when he plays a similar phrase next we can see it once. He is playing it verry light/ kind of of the record and seem to catch only the higher strings but it's hard to tell for sure, even with my 40 years of experience. People covering it often put in more effort which is fine as well as long as the balance is correct. Like said it kind of falls as it falls up to your likings. Main focus goes to the thump which is the one that counts.
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