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metalhead

 

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One of the best Bulerias grooves I've listened to

https://youtu.be/TR7JKzHotws
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El Burdo

 

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http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=135601&mpage=1&p=62&tmode=10&smode=1&key=
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One of the best Bulerias grooves I've listened to

For my taste too much arpegio.

Nice groovy Bulerias from Jerez have a lot of thumb work.



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Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: devilhand

quote:

One of the best Bulerias grooves I've listened to

For my taste too much arpegio.

Nice groovy Bulerias from Jerez have a lot of thumb work.




Can you stop trolling at all? You don’t even know what is NOT from Jerez!

Valencia nephew of Terremoto, has come a long way since I first met him in Sanlucar. He always helped out Gerardo in the cursos. World class tocaor …who knows, at least, how to rematar a falseta for cryin out loud.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 15 2024 11:45:39
 
metalhead

 

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I just got done learning his Bulerias (manuel's not yerai), could you share where he got these falseta ideas from?
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Stu

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For my taste too much arpegio.

Nice groovy Bulerias from Jerez have a lot of thumb work.


This is so ridiculous.

I can't argue with your taste for less arpeggios. Personal taste is personal taste. But you should've stopped typing right after that.

Metal head!? You've learned neferet? Gonna post a vid?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 23 2025 10:01:04
 
metalhead

 

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yea I've learned it. can play it currently at 180 bpm. will take a few weeks to get it to 205 and record. do you want me to play it in one sitting or individual falsetas?
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Ricardo

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ORIGINAL: metalhead

I just got done learning his Bulerias (manuel's not yerai), could you share where he got these falseta ideas from?


He seems inspired by various contemporary sources plus the standard licks from his hometown associated with Moraito and Diego. There was one or two Paco de Lucía licks and the Vicente inspired bass arpegio, but I guess the surprising thing is that he seems to have studied a bit from Chicuelo. Liked those moving power chords at 1:36 strings 5,4,3 with fingers 1,2,3 played with arpegios, and some other details like that key change at the end. He taught a lot of that in the Encuentro video, so it is possible he studied that source. But some of that style is ubiquitous as well. Most of us get inspired by Paco or Vicente, in my case a lot of Nuñez, but then we make our own thing with it, like he is doing in general. I remember I made a falseta before that Chicuelo video came out, then I noticed he had the same guitar (it is Atocha but looks like the Felipe V guitars in general), same goatee I was sporting, and one of his falsetas was identical to mine. I thought, shoot, everyone is gonna think I am copying this guy, but it was just pure coincidence based on the fact we all have the same influences.

Compare to this (the entire piece, but those power chords are at 4 min):


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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 23 2025 16:36:28
 
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He's defo studied chicuelo encuentro! I remember seeing manuel accompanying a singer in some bodega on the curso in sanlucar in....2013?? Maybe.. He played my fave cantinas falseta from chicuelos encuentro. Sort of blew my mind a bit at the time, that he was playing it verbatim as opposed to changing or using the idea and that kinda opened my eyes to the fact that he looked up and was inspired by chicuelo.... like I, a dumb English kid from London was too.
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...2013?? Maybe.. He played my fave cantinas falseta from chicuelos encuentro


Manuel Valencia is still playing a close version of Chicuelo's encuentro falseta por cantinas. Remember the video of him accompanying Ezequiel Benítez last year (thread below)?

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=353983&mpage=2&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=cantinas%2Cchicuelo
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 23 2025 18:47:04
 
Stu

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Oh yes, i recall now! and yeah ive heard it several times since!

thanks for sharing

heres the one I mentioned....

oh and that "some singer" was Rafael de Utrera! oops

sorry for the shaky camera before its starts...and the general crappy vid quality...13 years ago!


  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 23 2025 21:23:15
 
metalhead

 

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If I only learn all the bulerias by PDL, will I have a good chunk of musical ideas that I can use to compose ? I say bulerias because that's the one I play most
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If I only learn all the bulerias by PDL, will I have a good chunk of musical ideas that I can use to compose ? I say bulerias because that's the one I play most


I choose a couple good ones from paco after he died to do tutorials with. Search my name and “Paco falseta tutorial”, numbers 1-4, each has two, so that is 8 falsetas to get you started. I realize the anniversary was today.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 25 2025 14:57:55
 
metalhead

 

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I already know 5 PDL bulerias falsetas. I have watched a few of your PDL tut videos. You teach a good amount of theory that goes over my head. I try to learn by listening instead. Still not very good at that but I try
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in this playlist you got 7 bulerias of Manuel Morao y gitanos de jerez
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