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michmcg

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From: Kinlochleven + Glasgow

ricardo sanchis carpio

Hi, i'm a newcomer and looking to buy my first flamenco guitar, there is a r.sanchis carpio model 2f on ebay.co.uk item number 190167895085,just wondered if anyone has an opinion on this guitar as i can't really find any information on the web about this model, i would really appreciate any help..thanks!!!

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Ricardo

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to michmcg)

Can't say anything about seller or THIS exact guitar, but this model (2F) is very good for the price IMO and experience.

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michmcg

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to Ricardo)

Thanks Ricardo! sorry i should have posted the url http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RICARDO-SANCHIS-CARPIO-Flamenco-Guitar_W0QQitemZ190167895085QQihZ009QQcategoryZ2385QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem . I appreciate that you can't say anything about this exact guitar, i know that its best to try out an instrument before you buy, i've saved for a while and thought ebay is the best use of my budget, thanks for your help Ricardo!!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 30 2007 12:01:27

michmcg

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to michmcg)

or if anyone knows of a nice guitar for sale for the same price or under..i do really like the look of this guitar, but i am almost completely ignorant in these matters..i really like the forum, looking forward to learning..

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 30 2007 20:12:52

bernd

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to michmcg)

I agree Ricardo. The (former) F2 generally is a very good guitar for this price. But notice: It is the F2, not F2-05. So I strongly recomand to check this guitar, because I´ve already seen some realy sh...y guitars of this model. Maybe you get a good one for your decission.

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boral

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to michmcg)

Hi,

I have a 2f from 2005. It is made by the sons of Sanchis Carpio, so the label inside says "Hnos Sanchis Lopez" .
I think it is the same guitar. It is a good guitar. Excelent volume, but it could have less reverb IMO. Very good for the price. I put a bit of G string under the bone in the bridge to raise a little bit the action an I play with Addario composites strings.
I think the price in e-bay is almost what you would pay for a new one; please check

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 31 2007 12:13:53

bernd

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to boral)

Hi boral,

the total series of the 2005 models are different to the years made before. They have more percussion, volume and string tension. The guitar mentioned above is an older model, not really comparable to yours.

Currently new price at Mundo Flamenco is around 760 £ (1090 €).

Salu2
Bernd

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michmcg

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to michmcg)

Thank you all for taking the time out to respond!!

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JBASHORUN

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michmcg

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to michmcg)

Thanks JB!! i've been reading abit about them..seem to be really good

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2007 20:29:45

michmcg

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to JBASHORUN)

Thanks everyone for helping!! I missed both so i'm going to continue my search

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 5 2007 16:59:41

Manitas de Lata

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to michmcg)

does anybody have feed about this model "conservatorio" year 1998 ?

seems like a negra , not sure if its flamenco , and have many doubts about the label vs the year..

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Ricardo

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to Manitas de Lata)

Ricardo Sanchis generally produced the best factory flamenco guitars I have ever played. I utilize the son’s guitar, Hermanos Sanchis Lopez, also fabulous builds for factory produced instruments. But make no mistake, they put the pre-made parts together with a hot glue gun, and mash the face into a belt sander to tune the top, and toss the thing on to a pile of others. It is a science, and they produce extremely musical instruments at competitive prices.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 12 2024 14:58:56

Manitas de Lata

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to Ricardo)

yes i was hopping that you say something , read somewhere that you are a big fan of Sanchis.

After all the label seems good , but the price is half or less than half of the previous sellings

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 12 2024 16:19:46

Echi

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to michmcg)

Conservatorio is a mid- level classical guitar, not a flamenco negra.
Some guitars made by Ricardo Sanchis himself in the good years are as good as guitars made by top names imho.
Studio model guitars are studio model guitars though.
I wouldn’t go lower than a 1F model and better to look at guitars made from 1995 - 2005 Imho.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 12 2024 16:32:51

Manitas de Lata

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to Echi)

yes normally conservatorio is classical , but doesnt seem too thick on lateral

its the same as this one with Pau Santo do Rio

Edit- confirmed that its a classic , still, sounds great..

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cv5RqduMgRH/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 12 2024 16:39:35

Ricardo

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to Echi)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Echi

Conservatorio is a mid- level classical guitar, not a flamenco negra.
Some guitars made by Ricardo Sanchis himself in the good years are as good as guitars made by top names imho.
Studio model guitars are studio model guitars though.
I wouldn’t go lower than a 1F model and better to look at guitars made from 1995 - 2005 Imho.

I got a 2F Hermanos Sanchis Lopez for my student and it was as good as my 1F. We changed the nut which he cut the string slots himself (too skinny) and the thing plays like any Conde. Another student has the “Solea” which I think was much cheaper than the 1F as well, and also fantastic. Here is the Solea model by Hermanos Sanchis Lopez:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 13 2024 4:09:18

orsonw

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to Ricardo)

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I got a 2F Hermanos Sanchis Lopez for my student and it was as good as my 1F.

I've owned a few Sanchis 1F (late 90s to 2000s models), and played several 2F. I agree 2F can be just as good guitars. Difference is only cheaper tuners, less good looking wood, less decoration, different rosettes. (Though personally I strongly dislike the 'rose' rosette they now consistently use on their 1F and 1F extras)
Best thing is always to try the actual guitar, though in my experience of about 15 Sanchis they are quite consistent. For a cheaper non-luthier guitar I would always recommend Sanchis or V. Bernal. Factory guitars can be great.

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Manitas de Lata

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to orsonw)

how much are we talkin for the sanchis factory?

for valerio i saw mixed feed , and some are with nice price 2hand

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 13 2024 15:12:31

Manitas de Lata

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to Ricardo)

great jam video ricardo , is that Pacos at 2:06 - 2:16 ?

excuse for my ignorance , is it supose that you play all the time in this jam with the cantaor at same time ? i notice some remates and stops , still.
if yes , its regarding the palo?

thanks

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 13 2024 15:24:21

Ricardo

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to Manitas de Lata)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Manitas de Lata

great jam video ricardo , is that Pacos at 2:06 - 2:16 ?

excuse for my ignorance , is it supose that you play all the time in this jam with the cantaor at same time ? i notice some remates and stops , still.
if yes , its regarding the palo?

thanks

My version of Paco’s version of a Manuel De Falla melody…yes. The form is Bulerias, and the way it works is the same as Solea but faster. He throws 3 line verses at me that relate to cantes of Solea melodically and structurally (chord progression that punctuates lines of verse), at random, and I have to follow his lead. When we play falsetas or instrumental variations we don’t have to follow any set melodic patterns from the cante, however, we want to create relevant melodic material that ends up with the same type of punctuation the singing does (remates, stops, closing phrases). Basically mimicking the singing and the accompaniment of it, as a way to complement and inspire the singer.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 13 2024 18:15:24

Manitas de Lata

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RE: ricardo sanchis carpio (in reply to Ricardo)

Thank you Ricardo great explanation , im a little less ignorante now.

Really enjoy your smile while playing (dont get me wrong) its shows that you are loving it and enjoying the moment , hope one day to get there.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 13 2024 18:25:51