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What Do You Think Of This Old Guitar?
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ernandez R
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Joined: Mar. 25 2019
From: Alaska USA
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 RE: What Do You Think Of This Old Gu... (in reply to That_Guy)
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Guy,
Looks cool, how does she sound? In the end that's what counts.
Neck and headstock are one piece and apear to be spruce or pine (???) as I've not seen cedar with that grain, often used on lower end instruments. I built two 666mm flamenco with spruce for the neck with no apperant issues... yet.
The lighting is wrong so the photos could be better if the light from the window was behind you. Would be nice to see more photos.
No label or marks inside? Pencil lines? Sr Torres name scribbled in the back somewhere... ;)
Would like to have somthing like that in my collection just cause.
HR
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ORIGINAL: That_Guy
I know almost nothing about building guitars so forgive any ignorance I show.
Here are the images I have: https://imgur.com/a/fiEJC5e
I suspect the back and sides are Cypress, the top is either Spanish Cedar or a very wide grain spruce. The neck is Spanish Cedar with ebony wood around the guitar. As you can tell from the first picture, the guitar braces itself with cleats instead of a strip of wood, which leads me to suspect this guitar is old with maybe a guard added on later. Uses pegs instead of tuners.
The seller I bought this from claimed it was from the 1910s. I paid $800 for it. I’m wondering what you all think of it!
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Date Apr. 13 2021 21:43:29
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Richard Jernigan
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Joined: Jan. 20 2004
From: Austin, Texas USA
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RE: What Do You Think Of This Old Gu... (in reply to estebanana)
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ORIGINAL: estebanana
There’s no such thing as inferior top wood, wide grain tops can make incredible guitars, but we’ve been sold a ‘grain line per inch’ lie by knuckleheads who don’t know anything. Top wood is top wood and sometimes the tightest straight grain tops are horrible because they are too dense to be sensitive to high frequency.
The top of the 1973 Romanillos #407 is spruce with a wide grain. Furthermore the grain width varies by at least a factor of two across the width of the top. Guitar making wood and tools were hard to come by in England in 1973. Romanillos was using re-sawn 'cello tops.
I have seen Bream's famous 1973 #501 up close. It was made soon after #407. #407 was the 7th of the 4th design series, #501 was the first of the next design. The top of #501 could be the next board in the tree to #407.
When I visited Abel Garcia Lopez in Paracho to order an instrument, I told him how much I like #407. He showed me some spruce Romanillos had given him "from early in his career." Garcia served twice as Romanillos' assistant during his summer guitar making course.
The wood Garcia showed me was a very close match to the tops of #407 and #501.
Garcia took me to his climate controlled wood storage room to pick out the back and sides. I asked him to choose the spruce top, since he is the maestro. When the guitar arrived after a wait of nearly two years, the top proved to be very fine grained, with a lot of "silk" medullary rays.
When I called Garcia to tell him how happy I was with the instrument, I remarked on his choice of top. He said the Romanillos wood was outstanding top material, but I might have trouble selling a guitar with wood that looked like that.
RNJ
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Date May 3 2021 0:43:18
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estebanana
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RE: What Do You Think Of This Old Gu... (in reply to That_Guy)
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I may take you up on that offer when I get a better job! I talked to Richard Brune and he told me the top is spruce. He also said cheaper model small factory guitars like this have loads of intonation problems. If they do, I lucked out and got a great one. I can hear a difference in pitch between 0.79% of a half step. I know this because I have an app called InTune that can measure this. I can’t hear any intonation issues below the 9th fret, and above it is so minor that I don’t think it’s an issue. I’m talking less than 2.5% of what the note is and should be.
I imagine guitars like these, even if they are cheaper models, will go up in value as more of them are lost or broken down, yeah? I’m still young (just 26).
Collect what you love and if it's value increases an added pleasure. Learn to collect with less expensive guitars first. Collecting is a very interesting pastime, but a game for older collectors if you want to be a player in the market. Learn your horsetrading skills with less expensive goods if that's a calling.
People collect for different reasons and intentions, but go with what you like and love and ask other collectors to help educate you, ask them to share knowledge. Do a little favor for them if they do. I once took a bunch of huge photo files of text and reduced it in size so the photo document could be emailed in one go instead of a series of ten huge files... I did it for a collector because he shared information with me. It wasn't a big deal, took an hour of two of organizing and photo reduction work, but it created a part of his archive that will someday be more accessible to his decedents. Or send them a small gift to let them know you appreciated the knowledge they dropped on you and they'll do it again.
Collections are interesting for different reasons. Some collections are filled with rare blue chip guitars and are expensive to maintain. Other collections may be interesting because they focus on one thing, but have several examples of that particular style of guitar to compare to each other. Think about why you want to collect and whether you want to focus on a narrow interest or be eclectic. But consult with older collectors and formulate a plan when you are young about what you want to focus on. Be a focused collector, make friends with the big shots and you'll have a lots of fun.
These factory guitars can have funky intonation. I put a new fingerboard on a guitar from the 1920's that one of my old customers owns. He's a very good player the guitar is a clearly a Torres model. He's still playing it regularly because the work I did on it 12 years ago is keeping it a vital alive guitar.
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