Nino Ricardo notes to tab

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cigany

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Nino Ricardo notes to tab

Can anyone please explain how the following notes can be in 3/4, 6/8 time?
This is for Nino Ricardo's Serrana Juncal.
I'm putting the notes into Guitar Pro to create a tab version I can learn from. I can change the time signature for individual bars, but I'm at a loss with these notes and others in the piece that don't add up to 3/4. Thanks.

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agujetas

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RE: Nino Ricardo notes to tab (in reply to cigany)

They do add up to 3/4. Is it the middle group of notes you’re confused about? They add up to one beat.

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cigany

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RE: Nino Ricardo notes to tab (in reply to agujetas)

Yes, the middle groups. Isn't the first group a dotted 1/8 note, an 1/8 note and a 1/16th note? How is that one beat? Does it have something to do with the combination of flags above the note and below? Sorry for my ignorance.

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kitarist

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RE: Nino Ricardo notes to tab (in reply to cigany)

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Yes, the middle groups. Isn't the first group a dotted 1/8 note, an 1/8 note and a 1/16th note? How is that one beat?

The dot only applies to the lower voice. It's as if you have two of the same note (one for lower one for upper voice), one behind the other, and the dotted one for the lower voice obscures the upper voice note behind it which does not have a dot but is a normal eighth note.

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cigany

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RE: Nino Ricardo notes to tab (in reply to kitarist)

Ah ha. Two voices. Got it. Awesome. Always learning. Thanks.

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Ricardo

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RE: Nino Ricardo notes to tab (in reply to kitarist)

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ORIGINAL: kitarist

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Yes, the middle groups. Isn't the first group a dotted 1/8 note, an 1/8 note and a 1/16th note? How is that one beat?

The dot only applies to the lower voice. It's as if you have two of the same note (one for lower one for upper voice), one behind the other, and the dotted one for the lower voice obscures the upper voice note behind it which does not have a dot but is a normal eighth note.

Yes, but IMO it is incorrect. It should be an 8th rest, not combined stems. Second one should have a 16th rest. In other words the A note should be alone in the lower voice.

In all honesty there is no need for two voices here because the phrase is not polyphonic. 2 &ah beamed together and 2e&ah is how I would write each.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 26 2021 13:56:36

devilhand

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RE: Nino Ricardo notes to tab (in reply to cigany)

Where can I listen to this section?

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ORIGINAL: cigany

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 26 2021 19:32:52

payaso

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RE: Nino Ricardo notes to tab (in reply to cigany)

A common dilemma in transcribihg for the guitar. A major problems can be how to indicate that some notes sustain, others not. In the second excerpt, which, like the first excerpt, looks like the ending of one phrase and the start of another on the 2nd beat of the bar (but the first of the compás). The E, D sharp and G may briefly sustain, so I would not support a second rest in the upper voice. I am rather doubtful about the accuracy of the transcription in the second excerpt because the second B could be awkward to play with the E when it looks as if the last three notes of the group of four would be an ami arpegio (perhaps even a quick triplet after an emphatic A with the thumb). It would be good to hear the original, recognising that Niño Ricardo’s recorded solo playing can lack perfect cleanness but more than makes up for that with his incomparable aire, flamencura and inspiration.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 27 2021 11:36:51

Ricardo

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RE: Nino Ricardo notes to tab (in reply to payaso)

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The E, D sharp and G may briefly sustain, so I would not support a second rest in the upper voice.

Not sure if this refers to my suggestion about a rest. The rest I suggested would occur above the A note on beat 2, a 16th rest. If the B note sustains a tie must be used instead of a rest. Likewise if the upper chord sustains through beat 3 (technique is horquilla and looks accurate to me up at 7th position p-am-i-p) ties to a quarter note can be used.

The idea that the A note is both a 16th and a dotted 8th is misleading info, the A note should only be the lower voice played with pulger.

Normally, because the guitar decays so quickly compared to piano which needs footpedal for sustain, the idea of playing nylon guitar is to always let notes ring as long as possible unless rests or staccato is deliberately expressed.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 27 2021 14:25:39

Paul Magnussen

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RE: Nino Ricardo notes to tab (in reply to payaso)

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A common dilemma in transcribihg for the guitar. A major problems can be how to indicate that some notes sustain, others not.

I’ve never seen the problem: staff notation uses stems up or down to indicate different voices, and there’s nothing stopping you doing the same with tab. All my transcriptions do it.

Granted, there’s a problem if you have more than two voices, but so you have with staff notation. I’ve been getting around it in the latter by printing the voices in different colours (as Finale allows you to do), but I haven’t tried it yet with tab.