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rick

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Joined: Oct. 20 2003

anyone her of this guy

http://www.caminosflamencos.com/video_clips/RachelDSL.mov

quite the little ditty, I emailed him and requested the notation or tab and offered to pay for it for you purists and he didnt respond, if anyone can give me the basic chords for the beggining I can take it from there. thanks.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 25 2006 3:31:31

Ron.M

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Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Scotland

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

Yeah, I've heard of the guy before..he's a very good player, though I didn't find the piece inspiring or thrilling myself.
A lot of aggressive attitude there, which kind of turned me off...you know?
OK, but instantly forgettable IMO..
A question here..
How come all the great tunes are simple, have few notes, clear direction and don't sound so complicated?

cheers

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 26 2006 20:04:47

Doitsujin

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RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

Hi,

Yes of course I know him! When I saw him in past I emailed him with some congratulations to his music. I like it. He was so kind to answere my mail and gave a couple of good tips for composing, too. And he told me the tuning of his guitar of one of the awesome compositions I like most. Just wait some weeks. Im shure he will answere you.

It souns like rondena but the tuning is different. Hes a genius IMO with very stong masculine arie.

[OffTopic]
If he would be a spanish person and live in Sevilla or Madrid, he would play at the bienal. Im shure. But its sad. You can play better than the best spanish with the double portion of aire.. there will never be a way to play at the bienal for non spanish people. Its very unfair IMO.
They give lessons workshops and sell flamenco on the whole globus, but they dont let non spanish players play at the bienal. Isnt that bad?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 26 2006 20:29:02

fevictor

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Joined: Nov. 22 2005
From: Quepos / Manuel Antonio, Costa Rica

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

quote:

How come all the great tunes are simple, have few notes, clear direction and don't sound so complicated?

I completely agree. I find that I can "relate" to the music a lot more if its simple and has a lot of "feel" to it. The more complicated the music, the less you can concentrate on the individual sounds and the passion behind the notes. Thats why i've always been fond of the more traditional flemanco; it seems like it was more about the music, and not just a competition of complicated falsetas.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 26 2006 22:46:01

Francisco

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Joined: Jun. 13 2005
From: SW USA

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

quote:

How come all the great tunes are simple, have few notes, clear direction and don't sound so complicated?

Hate to sound like a broken record, but couldn't agree more.

quote:

Hes a genius IMO with very stong masculine arie.

Have to agree here too. I'm not completely commited to the use of the word genius here, but the dude is pretty good.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 26 2006 23:06:47

Marius

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Joined: Jan. 21 2006

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to Ron.M)

Sorry Ron, I must disagree.

"
How come all the great tunes are simple, have few notes, clear direction and don't sound so complicated?
"

This statement is not an absolute truth but just your preference. As a matter of fact I myself like complication in music and art as a whole. What brought me to flamenco is the sophistication of it, and I tend to rewind the simple pieces. And I find the piece impressing.

Question: Why do we put down people who work very hard to be good technically and play pieces that are hard to play?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2006 2:07:10

Ron.M

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Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Scotland

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to Marius)

quote:

This statement is not an absolute truth but just your preference

I would agree with that Marius, (but I still think folk like a good tune!)

quote:

Question: Why do we put down people who work very hard to be good technically and play pieces that are hard to play?

I already said I thought Jason was a very good player...I just didn't find the piece very inspiring....more a sort of display of technique.
"Instantly forgettable" was a wrong turn of phrase on my part. (Sorry Jason!)
What I meant to say was that I didn't really feel a desire to hear it again...it didn't grab me.

I was just wondering why Rick was interested in learning this very complicated piece when it seemed like an awful lot of work with no great musical reward...
On the other hand I found Errol's (flamencoguru) clips on LaFalsetta a joy to watch and listen to and needed far less technique.

But as you say, with music, at the end of the day..it always boils down to whether you like it or not...

cheers

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2006 8:16:12

Francisco

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From: SW USA

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

quote:

This statement is not an absolute truth but just your preference. As a matter of fact I myself like complication in music and art as a whole.

Absolute truth is not likely found in opinion and environs.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2006 12:35:48

rick

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Joined: Oct. 20 2003

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

I am interested in the piece as basically the beginning just sounds good, it has more of a classical lilt to it to my ear and to me sounds simply very enticing. I think from what I have seen of it that it is an alageria, but againthe chord forms are a little complex for me to figure our even watching the video. I'm sure with the notation whatever it is manageable, but I have a poor ear and he runs through it so fast that again it is difficult. thanks.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2006 14:35:11

rick

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Joined: Oct. 20 2003

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

oh yeah and I dont want to simply steal it necessarily. I mentioned in my email to mr mcgure that I am willing to pay for the privilege. I understand he does sell transcriptions of his pieces, which is typical for any composer/musican. But up to now no response. thanks again.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2006 14:36:47

seanm

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Joined: Apr. 5 2005
From: Halifax, Nova Scotia

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

I think he got a lot of technique and good musical ideas but is really over playing the instrument. There is point where you push it so far that it just sounds ugly. You loose the sence of dynamic when everything is at full blast like that. Maybe it's the miking ...

Sean

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2006 20:18:31

Patrick

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From: Portland, Oregon

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

Here is a thread about him that was discused a while ago.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=19183&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=jason&tmode=&smode=&s=#19217

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2006 21:17:19

carlos soto

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RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

Hey that was very good.
He was very angry though, I can imagine his face in a buleria

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 28 2006 2:57:54

Ricardo

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From: Washington DC

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to Marius)

Yeah I agree with Marius. This guy plays good, hard stuff, his own style. Music does not need to be mary had a little lamb simple to be "good" or have lasting value. Try to hum a Bach Fugue. There can be beauty in complexity. But I don't consider this guy to be amazingly complex or technically advanced comparing to guys from Spain. He plays with a lot of aggression, no doubt, which is a "feeling" whether we like that or not. That feeling is transmitted in our faces. He is who he is, and it comes through, you dont' confuse his playing with Tomatito for example. I feel his relation with other players in US like Chuscales, Pedro Cortes, Castellon, etc, is obvious, so if you know those guys you see where he is coming from with this "macho" style. Also he is from Texas, and texas if full of bad ass macho guitar monsters. Ever see Shawn Lane? Pantera?

Anyway, Doitsujin, last time Tino Vandersman performed in Sevilla, the bienal. He is from Holland. So, yeah they do let you play if you are really good. Although, his concert was booked the same day as Paco de Lucias

Still....

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 28 2006 4:42:03

ricecrackerphoto

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RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

while i can agree with most of the opinions about him, i do like his aggression and find it refreshing. no one can ever accuse him of phoning it in, that's for sure. very much like a nadja salerno-sonnenberg where they almost seem possessed when they play.

there were a few great moments where he was settling into an amazing groove and then a speed run killed it. i do like my stuff simpler and more rhythmic but i also don't like watching someone play who looks so detached and emotionless.

still i thought he was going to snap all his strings at the end, kick his accompianist in the shin and dive into the crowd.

doug

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 28 2006 5:14:02

Guest

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to ricecrackerphoto)

quote:

still i thought he was going to snap all his strings at the end, kick his accompianist in the shin and dive into the crowd.

I thought this guy sounded great, i like his aggression and modern feel. I definatley prefer the modern sound. But i still respect the old school players too.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2006 8:49:18

Doitsujin

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RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

Wow. Who is Tino Vandersmann? I cant find informations about him in the net. And he really was the main act? Not only acompanying? Sounds good to me that a non spanish person is accepted there.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2006 10:38:52

nacho

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Joined: Feb. 28 2006
From: Madrid, España

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

Hi from Spain

I think this guy is called "Chuscales", real name José Valle Fajardo, and was born in Antequera (Málaga,Andalucía,España)

More info: http://mariabenitez.easycgi.com/index.asp?ID=27

Cheers

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2006 13:28:49

Ron.M

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From: Scotland

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to nacho)

Hi nacho,
The guy in the video clip is actually an American guitarist called Jason McGuire.
http://www.caminosflamencos.com/jason.htm

Pretty good for an "extranjero" eh? LOL!

Thanks for the Chuscales link!

By the way where are you from in Spain?

cheers

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2006 14:22:29

nacho

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Joined: Feb. 28 2006
From: Madrid, España

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

Hi Ron

Sorry for the mistake! I thought he was Chuscales...

I was born and now I live in Madrid, but I've previously lived in London, Cádiz, Jaén and Sevilla...

I've just discovered this forum, since I don't have too much time to browse, but I think it's a very good one!

Please forgive my english because it's not at its best!

Cheers,

nacho

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2006 15:06:49

XXX

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RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

Ive watched also his Taranta video now. Videos: http://www.caminosflamencos.com/photos.htm

Do you like his picado? Im not sure, the audio quality is a little "noisy" in the high freq.

Hes a very good player, but its not easy to compare. The pieces are technically challenging but sometimes they loose themselves into this complexity. Though I liked Pavan, the Buleria and especially Encurjiada, the Fandango

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2006 15:56:37

rick

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Joined: Oct. 20 2003

RE: anyone her of this guy (in reply to rick)

ok but , Im back to the same question, any idea of the chord forms? despite the recent posts in learning by ear, which I am deficiet, it is a little too fast for me and i think the chords might be unorthodox, pariticulary that first thing that is fretted with the m finger and the i does the embellisment. thanks again.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 5 2006 19:16:28