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rick -> anyone her of this guy (Feb. 25 2006 3:31:31)

http://www.caminosflamencos.com/video_clips/RachelDSL.mov

quite the little ditty, I emailed him and requested the notation or tab and offered to pay for it for you purists and he didnt respond, if anyone can give me the basic chords for the beggining I can take it from there. thanks.



Ron.M -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Feb. 26 2006 20:04:47)

Yeah, I've heard of the guy before..he's a very good player, though I didn't find the piece inspiring or thrilling myself.
A lot of aggressive attitude there, which kind of turned me off...you know?
OK, but instantly forgettable IMO..
A question here..
How come all the great tunes are simple, have few notes, clear direction and don't sound so complicated?

cheers

Ron



Doitsujin -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Feb. 26 2006 20:29:02)

Hi,

Yes of course I know him! When I saw him in past I emailed him with some congratulations to his music. I like it. He was so kind to answere my mail and gave a couple of good tips for composing, too. And he told me the tuning of his guitar of one of the awesome compositions I like most. Just wait some weeks. Im shure he will answere you.[;)]
It souns like rondena but the tuning is different. Hes a genius IMO with very stong masculine arie.

[OffTopic]
If he would be a spanish person and live in Sevilla or Madrid, he would play at the bienal. Im shure. But its sad. You can play better than the best spanish with the double portion of aire.. there will never be a way to play at the bienal for non spanish people. Its very unfair IMO.
They give lessons workshops and sell flamenco on the whole globus, but they dont let non spanish players play at the bienal. Isnt that bad? [>:]



fevictor -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Feb. 26 2006 22:46:01)

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How come all the great tunes are simple, have few notes, clear direction and don't sound so complicated?


I completely agree. I find that I can "relate" to the music a lot more if its simple and has a lot of "feel" to it. The more complicated the music, the less you can concentrate on the individual sounds and the passion behind the notes. Thats why i've always been fond of the more traditional flemanco; it seems like it was more about the music, and not just a competition of complicated falsetas.



Francisco -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Feb. 26 2006 23:06:47)

quote:

How come all the great tunes are simple, have few notes, clear direction and don't sound so complicated?

Hate to sound like a broken record, but couldn't agree more.

quote:

Hes a genius IMO with very stong masculine arie.

Have to agree here too. I'm not completely commited to the use of the word genius here, but the dude is pretty good.



Marius -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Feb. 27 2006 2:07:10)

Sorry Ron, I must disagree.

"
How come all the great tunes are simple, have few notes, clear direction and don't sound so complicated?
"

This statement is not an absolute truth but just your preference. As a matter of fact I myself like complication in music and art as a whole. What brought me to flamenco is the sophistication of it, and I tend to rewind the simple pieces. And I find the piece impressing.

Question: Why do we put down people who work very hard to be good technically and play pieces that are hard to play?



Ron.M -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Feb. 27 2006 8:16:12)

quote:

This statement is not an absolute truth but just your preference


I would agree with that Marius, (but I still think folk like a good tune!)

quote:

Question: Why do we put down people who work very hard to be good technically and play pieces that are hard to play?


I already said I thought Jason was a very good player...I just didn't find the piece very inspiring....more a sort of display of technique.
"Instantly forgettable" was a wrong turn of phrase on my part. (Sorry Jason!)
What I meant to say was that I didn't really feel a desire to hear it again...it didn't grab me.

I was just wondering why Rick was interested in learning this very complicated piece when it seemed like an awful lot of work with no great musical reward...
On the other hand I found Errol's (flamencoguru) clips on LaFalsetta a joy to watch and listen to and needed far less technique.

But as you say, with music, at the end of the day..it always boils down to whether you like it or not...

cheers

Ron



Francisco -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Feb. 27 2006 12:35:48)

quote:

This statement is not an absolute truth but just your preference. As a matter of fact I myself like complication in music and art as a whole.

Absolute truth is not likely found in opinion and environs.



rick -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Feb. 27 2006 14:35:11)

I am interested in the piece as basically the beginning just sounds good, it has more of a classical lilt to it to my ear and to me sounds simply very enticing. I think from what I have seen of it that it is an alageria, but againthe chord forms are a little complex for me to figure our even watching the video. I'm sure with the notation whatever it is manageable, but I have a poor ear and he runs through it so fast that again it is difficult. thanks.



rick -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Feb. 27 2006 14:36:47)

oh yeah and I dont want to simply steal it necessarily. I mentioned in my email to mr mcgure that I am willing to pay for the privilege. I understand he does sell transcriptions of his pieces, which is typical for any composer/musican. But up to now no response. thanks again.



seanm -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Feb. 27 2006 20:18:31)

I think he got a lot of technique and good musical ideas but is really over playing the instrument. There is point where you push it so far that it just sounds ugly. You loose the sence of dynamic when everything is at full blast like that. Maybe it's the miking ...

Sean



Patrick -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Feb. 27 2006 21:17:19)

Here is a thread about him that was discused a while ago.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=19183&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=jason&tmode=&smode=&s=#19217



carlos soto -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Feb. 28 2006 2:57:54)

Hey that was very good.
He was very angry though, I can imagine his face in a buleria[:@]



Ricardo -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Feb. 28 2006 4:42:03)

Yeah I agree with Marius. This guy plays good, hard stuff, his own style. Music does not need to be mary had a little lamb simple to be "good" or have lasting value. Try to hum a Bach Fugue. There can be beauty in complexity. But I don't consider this guy to be amazingly complex or technically advanced comparing to guys from Spain. He plays with a lot of aggression, no doubt, which is a "feeling" whether we like that or not. That feeling is transmitted in our faces. He is who he is, and it comes through, you dont' confuse his playing with Tomatito for example. I feel his relation with other players in US like Chuscales, Pedro Cortes, Castellon, etc, is obvious, so if you know those guys you see where he is coming from with this "macho" style. Also he is from Texas, and texas if full of bad ass macho guitar monsters. Ever see Shawn Lane? Pantera?

Anyway, Doitsujin, last time Tino Vandersman performed in Sevilla, the bienal. He is from Holland. So, yeah they do let you play if you are really good. Although, his concert was booked the same day as Paco de Lucias [8|] Still....



ricecrackerphoto -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Feb. 28 2006 5:14:02)

while i can agree with most of the opinions about him, i do like his aggression and find it refreshing. no one can ever accuse him of phoning it in, that's for sure. very much like a nadja salerno-sonnenberg where they almost seem possessed when they play.

there were a few great moments where he was settling into an amazing groove and then a speed run killed it. i do like my stuff simpler and more rhythmic but i also don't like watching someone play who looks so detached and emotionless.

still i thought he was going to snap all his strings at the end, kick his accompianist in the shin and dive into the crowd.

doug



Guest -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Mar. 1 2006 8:49:18)

quote:

still i thought he was going to snap all his strings at the end, kick his accompianist in the shin and dive into the crowd.

[:D][:D]
I thought this guy sounded great, i like his aggression and modern feel. I definatley prefer the modern sound. But i still respect the old school players too.



Doitsujin -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Mar. 1 2006 10:38:52)

Wow. Who is Tino Vandersmann? I cant find informations about him in the net. And he really was the main act? Not only acompanying? Sounds good to me that a non spanish person is accepted there.



nacho -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Mar. 1 2006 13:28:49)

Hi from Spain

I think this guy is called "Chuscales", real name José Valle Fajardo, and was born in Antequera (Málaga,Andalucía,España)

More info: http://mariabenitez.easycgi.com/index.asp?ID=27

Cheers



Ron.M -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Mar. 1 2006 14:22:29)

Hi nacho,
The guy in the video clip is actually an American guitarist called Jason McGuire.
http://www.caminosflamencos.com/jason.htm

Pretty good for an "extranjero" eh? LOL!

Thanks for the Chuscales link!

By the way where are you from in Spain?

cheers

Ron



nacho -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Mar. 1 2006 15:06:49)

Hi Ron

Sorry for the mistake! I thought he was Chuscales...

I was born and now I live in Madrid, but I've previously lived in London, Cádiz, Jaén and Sevilla...

I've just discovered this forum, since I don't have too much time to browse, but I think it's a very good one!

Please forgive my english because it's not at its best!

Cheers,

nacho



XXX -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Mar. 1 2006 15:56:37)

Ive watched also his Taranta video now. Videos: http://www.caminosflamencos.com/photos.htm

Do you like his picado? Im not sure, the audio quality is a little "noisy" in the high freq.

Hes a very good player, but its not easy to compare. The pieces are technically challenging but sometimes they loose themselves into this complexity. Though I liked Pavan, the Buleria and especially Encurjiada, the Fandango



rick -> RE: anyone her of this guy (Mar. 5 2006 19:16:28)

ok but , Im back to the same question, any idea of the chord forms? despite the recent posts in learning by ear, which I am deficiet, it is a little too fast for me and i think the chords might be unorthodox, pariticulary that first thing that is fretted with the m finger and the i does the embellisment. thanks again.



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