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Specific Picado run question - Chicuelo
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kitarist
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RE: Specific Picado run question - C... (in reply to Stu)
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So starting that run on m and yes the cross/leap is easier. much more natural. is that due to longer m finger? Probably yes. And also we tend to practice that way a lot more - for example in arpeggios, we almost always place i-m-a on progressively higher-pitched strings so whatever arpeggio combination we do, it is always i-m string crossing from lower to higher pitched, and m-i on the way back. Also typical hand angle to strings may favour it. quote:
so starting on m, I now have two more descending notes (earlier in the run) that now fall on i. hah Yup. The full run is this: Overall it is indeed better to do it the way it is indicated, starting with 'i', because of the first two+ measures, but then you are back to your problem. If you just want to get it over with for now, the easiest might be to move the B to 3rd string 4rth fret and that's it. However, see below. quote:
I basically just need to get better at descending with both fingers right? That's been my experience. One thing that helped me get better at string-crossing when it is a single back-and-forth, is to keep thinking I remain alternating on just one string and just happen to reach a bit further for one note on another string - rather than thinking I have to shift my whole hand setup to the other string for one note, then shift back again. Try it if you'd like, I am curious if it makes a difference for you. I don't mean that my hand literally never moves - it moves a bit, but very little, and more of the move is the reach with the finger - all the while I just THINK about remaining on the same string not worrying about resetting hand and string crossing. I think Ricardo has said this before (all misinterpretation, if any, in what follows is mine )- something to the effect of we have to be able to play the string we are on and also reach the two strings on each side with minimal adjustment. You can see it in slow-mo of PdL's multi-string picado runs. It is not a sudden jerky motion to reset the hand to the new string we are on: there is a smoother transition where the finger's positions are slightly modified as the finger reaches to the higher-pitched string (say) while the hand is still moving to set up properly for that string. I just applied it to the situation like the one you have here, with a single note on a different string, and in my case I found that thinking about it that way allowed me to finally make progress on this. This only seems to contradict the idea of trying to preserve the same hand setup (and this moving the whole arm from the shoulder) as we move to different strings, which is really important still. It is more about the transitions or cases like this one here with a single note. quote:
gonna tackle that drill. The 2-string Ricardo drill, right? The more elaborate one from Antonio Rey is almost too much because of the 3-string arpeggio back and forth.
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mark indigo
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RE: Specific Picado run question - C... (in reply to Stu)
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I basically just need to get better at descending with both fingers right? I was shown a string crossing exercise by Jingle that he said came from Paco. I think Pimientito posted it on the foro somewhere too. I noticed the same idea (string crossing between two strings) was used in an exercise by Pedro Sierra based on scale in 3rds instead of cromatic notes on one string and the other string open. thread is here, scroll down to Pimientito's post: http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=177326&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=warm%2Dup%2Croutine&tmode=&smode=&s=#177448 I copied the exercise/s here: "...actually from PDLs warm up routine and he identified this problem from early playing days and came up with some mind bending exercises to train the fingers. Firstly, lets look at playing two open strings simultaneously with i on the second string and m on the first --0---0---0---0-- --0---0---0---0-- ------------------- ------------------- ------------------- ------------------- Easy right! Now do it again with the fingers swapped around so m is playing second string and i playing first.......much harder to do. This is not a natural way to play the strings but its exactly the position required in string changing during picado. If we keep open strings and play in triplets (1,2,3/1,2,3 etc.) --0-----0----0-----0----0-----0-----0-----0----0-----0-----0-----0-- -----0-----------0----------0------------0-----------0-----------0----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- m i m, i m i, m i m, i m i, etc. The first triplet is m,i,m which is easy on the first and second strings. The next triplet is i,m,i which is our harder combination. Repeat the pattern until its effortless. In some ways its one of the most simple and yet most difficult exercises to get right. It helps to think m...i....m....i at the begining of each triplet. Next variation is some left hand fingering --1-----1----2-----2----3-----3-----4-----4----3-----3-----2-----2-- -----0-----------0----------0------------0-----------0-----------0----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- REPEAT m i m, i m i, m i m, i m i, etc. So when that seems to be easier the next step is more chromatic fingering. The left hand fingering is the same as the fret number so always uses finger 3 for 3rd fret, finger 4 for 4th fret etc. --1-----1----2-----2----3-----3-----4-----4----3-----3-----2-----2----1-----1-- -----2-----------3----------4------------3-----------2-----------1-----------2----- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- m i m, i m i, m i m, i m i, etc. -----2-------------3------------4-------------3------------2-----------1--- -1------1------2-----2------3-----3------4-----4-----3-----3-----2-----2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ repeat this pattern again on 2cd and 3rd strings then 3rd and 4th, then 4th and 5th etc. Finally (in case this is all too easy) repeat again using m,a fingers and then i,a fingers" Same idea in this exercise from Pedro Sierra. Triplets on two strings, so the fingers are constantly crossing back and forth between the two strings. Instead of cromatic you have C major scale in 3rds. You can take this down across strings in first position too, and you can transpose to any other scale, major, minor, phrygian, whatever:
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