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I know this question has been answered before but I can't find the post regarding the rasgueado that Chicuelo does at 8'46.
Could somebody confirm what i'm hearing ?
Sounds to me like 3 sextuplets starting on beat 1 of of a 6' group (either on the twelve or on 6 depends how you count this). There is an off beat stroke just before the rasgueado (marked | on 9& I believe). And then I think there is one note to "launch" the rasgueado before the beat
| x123456 123456 123456 X | | | | | => then closing on 10.
I'm wondering what right hand pattern he's using I guess the golpe can just be done when the index is going down so maybe ?
a iiaiia iiaiia iiaiia (beat is on the first i going down, first a (or any finger m or i is just before the beat to launch the rasgueo)
Speaking for myself i use frequently the same one but start with an upstroke index with the downbeat either on a or directly on the index.
Formatting is all messed up but basically each groupe of 6 begin on the beat
The triplets (three groups of 2 triplets in each) seem to be done just with i; if you focus on looking at the i finger and its MCP joint, you can see the finger going up and down for each stroke. I see the whole sequence like this: (lowercase for upstrokes)
(I) i (I)iIiIi (I)iIiIi (I)iIiIi (I) I I _ CAMI where there is a golpe with a on each of the (I).
The golpes are on 10 12 2 4 6 and then the cami rasgueado on 10 (well, the 'i' of the cami is on 10). (BTW I am not sure if it is cami or just ami for the last rasgueado; the rest I am pretty certain about).
One difficulty with this video is that the audio and video are not in sync - the audio is delayed by about 300 ms. I had to correct that in VLC to be more confident in what I am seeing and hearing.
I dont think its im maybe it is indeed just i all along Iiiiii Iiiiii Iiiiii. Lets wait on Ricardo hes pretty good at this ! Last rasgueo is just ami not cami beat is on i going down normal stuff. Im pretty sure that there is a stroke just before the rasgueo To launch it.
Well I think it is indeed just the index but his hand is doing kind of a weird move. What a beast ! I was trying to add new compas variations to my bulerias but this one is just too much :) The guy is uber tight all along
I really think he is doing this pattern: miiiii miiiii miiiii
m down - I down - I up - I down - I up - I down
That is why the first stroke from each group has the accent (because is being done with the m finger being released from the thumb). I also think he is releasing every down stroke from the thumb, but the first one which is being done with the middle finger is a little louder.
Well I think it is indeed just the index but his hand is doing kind of a weird move.
Yeah I wondered about that too initially but if you try it yourself - I think it is just the combination of inertia (non-working fingers relaxed) and some sympathetic finger movement (and the a golpe at the beginning of each 6-group) which kind of move the hand and fingers that way, just from doing all that timed the way it is. We'll see what Ricardo says, if he notices this thread..
Ricardo discussed it already in another thread. He said it's i down (with golpe) i up a down i down i up a down repeat
That would certainly be a more common pattern (the IiAIiA...) which I considered. The problem is that it is not consistent with how the i finger moves up-down-up-down with each stroke sound. Even if some of the i movement is just to re-position (rather than strike), in the second half of the "sextuplet" the i finger moves in the opposite direction of what it would be if it were IiAIiA (see in red below):
(I)iIiIi.. versus (I)iAIiA...
Based on that I concluded it must be (I)iIiIi (I)iIiIi ...
Thanks you Ricardo for taking the time to check this one. It is just a simple back and forth index move but my god it's so hard to do at that tempo you have to be completely relax.
Well, check the dude nodding off in the corner of the room behind chicuelo. He doesn't seem that impressed anymore really. Says it was discussed already on the foro.
Well, check the dude nodding off in the corner of the room behind chicuelo. He doesn't seem that impressed anymore really. Says it was discussed already on the foro.
It is the same as in the previous videos. Other fingers are flailing about a bit because he is so good at letting non-working fingers stay relaxed.
What is slightly different in this video is that he puts more emphasis on the 3rd i stroke (second i down-stroke) in each 6-group: (the bolded I's below):
(I)iIiIi (I)iIiIi (I)iIiIi
This does cause some more and different "flailing" than in the other videos (on the bolded strokes, the cam fingers spread like a fan momentarily ("jazz fingers")), but the striking pattern is still the same.
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