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what is a master?
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BarkellWH
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 RE: what is a master? (in reply to Piwin)
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I don't agree with you that "many people have the technique and the knowledge". Here's a parallel with learning a foreign language: there's that beginner phase where you're basically nothing more than a talking monkey. From that standpoint, anyone who knows how to speak the language seems to be a maestro to you.
After a while you get good enough to have decent conversations, even perhaps on technical topics. Some of the locals might even congratulate you on your language skills, though you never know if they're just being polite. And at that point you might actually think you "have the technique and the knowledge". But after a while it finally hits you how far away you actually are from mastering the language. At that point it seems like your journey hasn't even begun yet and you feel even less competent than you did at the very beginning when you were nothing more than a talking monkey. Some people never get that realization though, so they stay stuck at that level.
I am often amused, and sometimes irritated, when I hear someone say Spanish is an easy language to learn. Spanish, spoken correctly, uses the subjunctive mood probably 60 percent of the time, whereas in English we rarely use the subjunctive. I have heard many people speaking Spanish who have not learned to speak using the subjunctive well, if at all. They speak and understand Spanish, and they are understood by others, but a refined speaker of Spanish notes immediately that they are not speaking correct Spanish. I would say that Spanish is an easy language to learn to speak poorly. But like any other endeavor, it takes work to nail the language down correctly.
The same goes for Malay and Indonesian, which are 80 percent the same, but that 20 percent difference can get one in trouble if one is unaware of the differences. Also, they use prefixes and suffixes that can mean anything from greater emphasis to a different meaning. And even when the root word without the prefix or suffix can be understood, proper use means all the difference to the refined (particularly Javanese) ear. In fact, Malay and Indonesian have a phrase, "berbudi bahasa" ("bahasa" means "language"), that describes someone who is refined, graceful, and well-mannered. And it is largely defined by the correct use of language.
Bill
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