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Marco de Rueil

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From: France

La guitarra flamenca según los flam...

For spanish speaking members :

An interesting video dealing with flamenco guitar seen by flamencos.

From YouTube channel "Flamenco en red", which I recommend to you

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX_IjKjfk-_9k4tgeSACudw

With Paco de Lucía, Paco Cepero among others

Cheers ;)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 27 2017 12:55:31

Ricardo

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RE: La guitarra flamenca según los ... (in reply to Marco de Rueil)

Good stuff, though we heard a lot of this stuff before. I want to point out a couple spots. After many years and many inspirations and avenues of learning and studying this stuff, for me it also whittles down to the two main pillars as the guy talks about at 9:49...Ramon Montoya and Paco de Lucia. I totally agree with what he is saying there.

At 19 min or so Tomatito does a great concise break down of jazz fusion flamenco for us, loved that part. And of course at the end about strings and glue on the nails was cute.

Ricardo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 28 2017 13:18:14

Marco de Rueil

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RE: La guitarra flamenca según los ... (in reply to Ricardo)

True some sequences are well-known, like those from Rito y Geografia del Cante. Might be useful though for members who haven't seen that yet.

About Ramon Montoya and Paco de Lucia, I like the description of both made at 7'15. I quite have the same feeling about both. While agreeing with you that they are the two main pillars of flamenco guitar, I'm not sure to understand this expression you use properly : "It all whittles down to" (as being french) : are you radical at that point you would resume the whole flamenco guitar history to its two main figures ?

Also like what Cepero says about technique (35'40), which too many contemporary guitarists emphasize too much. Justo de Badajoz at 34'49 also adds more radically that today's players are all "la misma maquina".

And there's this evocation of improvisation by Paco at 16'51 that interests me since I'm dedicated to it

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 28 2017 16:51:15

Richard Jernigan

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RE: La guitarra flamenca según los ... (in reply to Ricardo)

While I agree that Don Ramon and Paco are the two outstanding figures of the flamenco guitar in the 20th century, there were other influential figures as well.

At one point in the video Paco himself says, "Soy de la escuela de Niño Ricardo." In an interview he once said, "When I heard Sabicas [on the LP "Flamenco Puro"] I realized there was a different way to play the guitar."

Paco also credits Sabicas and Mario Escudero with urging him, as a virtuosic teenager, to compose his own stuff.

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 28 2017 21:56:06

Ricardo

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RE: La guitarra flamenca según los ... (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

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ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

While I agree that Don Ramon and Paco are the two outstanding figures of the flamenco guitar in the 20th century, there were other influential figures as well.

At one point in the video Paco himself says, "Soy de la escuela de Niño Ricardo." In an interview he once said, "When I heard Sabicas [on the LP "Flamenco Puro"] I realized there was a different way to play the guitar."

Paco also credits Sabicas and Mario Escudero with urging him, as a virtuosic teenager, to compose his own stuff.

RNJ

Of course, those are the other avenues and inspirations I refer to. Since PDL appeared there are many others as well. Point being the ones you mentioned and many others (Melchor, Morao, M. De Huelva, E. de sanlucar, Pepe Martinez, etc) are a footnote to Ramon, and all the others a foot note to PDL in my view.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 29 2017 3:01:00

Stu

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RE: La guitarra flamenca según los ... (in reply to Marco de Rueil)

Thanks for that video. My Spanish is patchy but I'll watch and see how I get on. Sounds really interesting.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2017 7:14:23

Echi

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RE: La guitarra flamenca según los ... (in reply to Marco de Rueil)

In my opinion Vicente Amigo is among the few exceptions. Since the very beiginning he distinguished himself for a different style of playing and a different way to make music.
Paco was the greatest, but at some stage, I found that Gerardo Nunez and Vicente had something more (or different) to say.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2017 7:54:01