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RE: GITANOS... & DJANGO REINHARDT
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sorin popovici
Posts: 427
Joined: Jan. 7 2005
From: Iasi, Romania
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 RE: GITANOS... & DJANGO REINHARDT (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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Ricardo , can u look at my picture ...and tell if I am gipsy?
I have the big eyebrowns, big nose ...but my name is popovici.My mum and pap
say that popovici is serbian (and that my grandpap comes from a village called "sarbi"
(serbs),and that we have nothing with the gipsies ...they are
kind of narrowminded about it ,but it's very hard for me to do smth about it.
Miguel ,I was looking for an mp3 of gipsy romanian music last night.I will find some , but
it's hard nowdays to tell apart what is authentic and what is not.In flamenco all seems
not so much complicated as they are a lot of well known gipsy artists.Here is tough to say
what is authentic or not cause of the mixtures, I hear a lot gipsy music with romanian and
serbian influences.It's hard to tell them apart ,in the end probably what's good music is good music ...but sometimes that hard to say also.
In flamenco I like cause they kept the guitar as a central element , here ...since the
aparition of keyboards and processed sound ...things tend to have more bad taste.I hate
for example computerized strings ensemble on mp3s ,sounds very artificial to me.Depends
in what music do u use these things,but to use them when playing folk music ..sounds so
kitsch (i hope i got the spelling right).
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Date Jan. 30 2006 10:30:02
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Tenshu
Posts: 150
Joined: Oct. 18 2003
From: Belgium
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RE: GITANOS... & DJANGO REINHARDT (in reply to sorin popovici)
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I know two manouche gypsies, both blind, both friends of my guitar teacher. My guitar teacher / mentor has lived among the gypsies for a while. He says it's impossible for a gadje / payo to be regarded by gypsies as an equal. A few people in this thread refer to gypsy 'friends'... I have my doubts. Or maybe times have changed.
When my mentor gave his birthday party, it was for a very select group. There were the two blind gypsies, one of their fathers, three russian guys I never saw before (possibly gypsy as well). Interestingly, I was invited as well.
They were all very distrusting of me. When they came in, nobody of them greeted me. They looked at me only from the corners of their eyes. It was very intimidating.
I felt really uneasy at first. They were running all over the place, like little boys, drinking and laughing, and shy as I was, I just sat there and tried to fade into the background. Every ten minutes someone would jump up and run towards the CD player to play a new disk (including, but not limited to: Tuvan throat singing, django, etc...) . Then the 'juerga' started for real, with accordeons and violins popping up out of nowhere.
Words can not express.
Then my teacher looked at me with this mischievous grin, and mentioned the name Camaron. One of the blind gypsies started his journey into music with flamenco when he was a little boy. Of course he demanded that I got up to get a guitar, and play por buleria. I even got one olé !!!
Then everyone shouted palos at me to play. I played por seguiriya, por solea, and even a bit of granaina. Then out of the murmuring voices, the blind guy again spoke up and said 'excuse me, it's been a while'. Then this sound emerged from deep inside his body, from deep inside his soul. It was hauntingly beautiful. Buleria can only sound like this out of a gypsy chest. I accompanied, but apogado.
At the dinner table (this in itself is a fiesta with gypsies), he managed to find me and he talked about Camaron, and cante. I promised to burn some Duquende and Manuel Torre to disk for him.
And, believe it or not, a few of them (everyone except for the Russians) shook my hand when I left at six am (afterwards I heard they went on with the fiesta till 11 am). I heard stories of gypsies smashing guitars on the head of a guy who touched them and invaded their personal space. And I managed to do it and am still alive to talk about it today.
I have no illusions that I'll ever be accepted into this inner circle that's so characteristic for gypsies, but I have established at least some (a teenyweeny bit) respect.
Edit: Oh, and get this... the 'father' I talked about once went to his wife's mother, to *ask* her if he could hit his wife! LOL!
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Date Jan. 30 2006 16:55:28
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Kate
Posts: 1827
Joined: Jul. 8 2003
From: Living in Granada, Andalucía
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RE: GITANOS... & DJANGO REINHARDT (in reply to Tenshu)
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That was a great story Tenshu, so you were welcomed into their home and fed so you were accepted. I know of Gypsies who will throw away crockery used by non Gypsies ( Jews have similar purity laws and will have special plates etc for guests) and certainly there is some truth to what you say about them not trusting the gadje but it depends on the ethnic group. Romanichal in Britain for example have interbred so much with non Gypsies it is almost impossible to say they are tatcho and that is also possibly true in Spain nowadays. I know of many many mixed marriages. However there is a deep distrust of the gadje system, not surprisingly when you think of their history, not allowed to own property, not allowed to settle, not allowed to travel, a price on their heads, the holocaust, forced sterilisations, forced evictions, branded as thieves etc etc. Sorin talked about the political debate in Rumania about Gypsies and only recent there a politician there made a statement saying that Gypsies were sub human. There's a long way to go to creating trust.
Kate
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Date Jan. 30 2006 21:26:03
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I'm made in England, Welsh parents, but generations back I have a Sinti ( German/Italian Gypsy) Great Great Grandfather. 
but we still pretend to be Italian.