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Brendan

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Damaged buttons

Calling luthiers,

I've somehow managed to crack two of my tuning buttons. I don't want to replace the whole gear machinery, but I understand that the buttons are not standard sizes between manufacturers. Is there any hope of getting buttons to fit?

The guitar is a Juan Salvador, who does not have a website. I emailled the dealer but so far have not had the courtesy of a reply.

All advice gratefully received.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2012 22:57:49

estebanana

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

Look at All Parts website and Stew Mac website under tuners. Stew Mac frst.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2012 23:55:41

JuanDaBomb

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

Also, don't forget to check Ebay vendors

I found some ebony buttons to replace some plastic buttons on one of my guitars through Ebay (from some guy in China). They fit perfectly because they were actually made by the same manufacturer, even though they weren't labeled that way in the seller's ad. It takes a bit of detective work to find out what you have and what will fit it. I'd take one of the tuners off and see if there is a brand name on it somewhere.

EDIT: wooot! you're in luck I think! Those are the same ones that are on my Benito Whoopie guitar. I'll post a photo or 2 a little later, but I already notice the brand emblem on the back of them: Der Jung.

http://www.derjung.com.tw/index.php?lang=en

I'll see if I can help you pinpoint the model a little later. Right now it's coffee time!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 11 2012 0:35:33

estebanana

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

Yes The Bomber is right, I checked on Stew Mac and All Parts today, and found nothing similar.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 11 2012 2:04:09

JuanDaBomb

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

Ok here is a photo of mine. As you can see, pretty much the same except for the button color

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 11 2012 3:05:16

JuanDaBomb

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

IF those are your tuners, then they are these here:

http://www.derjung.com.tw/index.php?option=product&lang=en&task=showinfo&id=18801

The description says you can use a "P" or "A" series button, here:

http://www.derjung.com.tw/index.php?option=product&lang=en&task=showlist&id=18710

I bought mine from this guy here:

http://stores.ebay.com/LueezGuitar/Buttons-/_i.html?_fsub=3565496018&_sid=42458688&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

but you should search all of Ebay.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 11 2012 3:14:03

Brendan

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to JuanDaBomb)

I am seriously impressed! By the willingness to take time to help a stranger and the speed and accuracy of the detective work. Deep thanks.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 11 2012 7:36:32

JuanDaBomb

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

Hey, no problem Brendan. Hope that info helps you out!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 11 2012 19:46:08

Shawn Brock

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

Well there you go... Juan and Stephen are the man! Well, men, I mean.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 12 2012 23:19:53

keith

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

juan hit the button on the head--der jung. i have a pair of them on a cordoba guitar and they work great. you probably can get new tuners for the price of just buttons. the website juan posted is where i found mine. they have aged bronze "hauser type" with black buttons and rollers, "fustero type" and a host of other styles--such as "rubner types". as i recall they have rosewood looking buttons, ebony, snakewood, white buttons, black rollers, etc. etc.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 13 2012 1:18:47

Brendan

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

Dear Luthiers,

Now, five years later, I've lost one of the black screws that hold the cogs in place. I only noticed now when changing strings, so it could have dropped out anywhere and I didn't notice because it was all held in place by string-tension.

Are these screws standard, or do I have to get one (or six) from Der Jung?

(See the photo at the top of the post.)

Thanks again.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 13 2017 20:58:25

aqualibguitars

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

Hello brenden.
u can take off another screw and visit hardware shop for same size
i have just started making tuning keys of my own.
can u let me know the dimension of the screw.
and if possible remove the worm and let me know the dimensions
i can try to send the buttons and the screws.
trying to help as much as i can

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 29 2017 6:44:41

Brendan

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to aqualibguitars)

Thanks, that's very generous. In the end, the shop where I bought the guitar helped me out, so it's all fine.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 29 2017 8:02:43

Brendan

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

More tuning head news! Now, the cog wheel of the D-string tuner has lost a tooth and the frame of the mechanism is starting to buckle away from the headstock:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 14 2020 23:03:05

Brendan

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

I could buy some new gears and try to fit them, but before I do that, is there likely to be some underlying problem that I can’t see?

Thanks as always,

BL

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 14 2020 23:04:29

Stu

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

Hi Brendan, when did you last lubricate the gears there?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 3 2020 0:19:31

Brendan

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Stu)

Never. I don’t want bits of grit sticking to the gears.

Is Der Jung still in business? Their website now has a picture of someone in a bikini.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 13 2023 14:33:29

Ricardo

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

quote:

More tuning head news! Now, the cog wheel of the D-string tuner has lost a tooth and the frame of the mechanism is starting to buckle away from the headstock:

Have you changed the tap plate yet? I would say forget parts, invest in brand new tuners. Done.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 13 2023 15:14:26

Brendan

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Ricardo)

That’s the plan. Does any business in the UK stock Der Jung?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 13 2023 15:55:23

estebanana

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brendan

Calling luthiers,

I've somehow managed to crack two of my tuning buttons. I don't want to replace the whole gear machinery, but I understand that the buttons are not standard sizes between manufacturers. Is there any hope of getting buttons to fit?

The guitar is a Juan Salvador, who does not have a website. I emailled the dealer but so far have not had the courtesy of a reply.

All advice gratefully received.

For inexpensive tuners shop eBay:

https://www.ebay.com search classical guitar tuners der Jung

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 14 2023 0:45:17

julianev

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

It looks like Madinter in Spain stock them currently - they will ship to the UK but I'm guessing you will need to pay import duty now since the joys of brexit. https://www.madinter.com/en/der_jung

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 14 2023 8:22:01

Firefrets

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

This is an old thread, but you can fix broken buttons like that with dust and glue surely?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 14 2023 9:24:42

Brendan

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Firefrets)

This is my ongoing maintenance thread. I bust a button ages ago. Since then, I’ve (now twice) stripped teeth from tuning gear cogs (and split the top side but that was never going to be a home repair).

I’ve found a Der Jung seller on eBay. I’m just nursing a forlorn hope of not paying the shipping from Croatia or Spain.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 14 2023 11:38:01

Firefrets

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

I use a spray teflon based grease called Lubrice on the gears, which goes on like oil, but sets like grease. Each time you change your strings, give everything a going over with an old toothbrush etc, a quick spray, and your tuners will always feel great. Gears don't pick up much at all really. You can use it in your nut slots too.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 14 2023 12:30:23

silddx

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

These are questions based on my near pure ignorance. Feel free to give me a little slap.

I am surprised that these tuners have been so unreliable, and so easily damaged. Is this something you are doing? Or are the tuners simply poor quality materials and construction? Is there a reason you want to replace like for like rather than upgrade to something that will last?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 16 2023 11:21:12

Ricardo

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to silddx)

quote:

ORIGINAL: silddx

These are questions based on my near pure ignorance. Feel free to give me a little slap.

I am surprised that these tuners have been so unreliable, and so easily damaged. Is this something you are doing? Or are the tuners simply poor quality materials and construction? Is there a reason you want to replace like for like rather than upgrade to something that will last?

Entropy due to wear is a fact of life. My least played guitars are fine. But the ones i change strings on constantly for gigs…those have been changed, in fact tap plates have changed multiple times as well, and I found that two tap plates equals one set of tuners. Facts of life.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 16 2023 15:59:02

Brendan

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to silddx)

Daily wear. This is my main guitar. That said, three years is a bit short when the previous set lasted a decade.

Der Jung is mid-market and I don’t want to drill new holes. I’m a confident assembler but no craftsman.

Tap-plate: sounds like I should play firmer golpes.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 17 2023 17:09:53

silddx

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

Thanks chaps. Understood.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 17 2023 22:04:16

estebanana

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to Brendan)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brendan

Daily wear. This is my main guitar. That said, three years is a bit short when the previous set lasted a decade.

Der Jung is mid-market and I don’t want to drill new holes. I’m a confident assembler but no craftsman.

Tap-plate: sounds like I should play firmer golpes.

If the screw holes don’t line up you can plug the old ones with a toothpick dipped in glue.

You don’t need to drill new holes, in fact it’s better not to drill. Start the hole by poking through the tuner plate with an ice pick ( carpenters marking awl) and then just begin the screw in that hole. The wood is soft and the screws are small, it works this way.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 18 2023 3:11:39

Ricardo

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RE: Damaged buttons (in reply to estebanana)

quote:

ORIGINAL: estebanana

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brendan

Daily wear. This is my main guitar. That said, three years is a bit short when the previous set lasted a decade.

Der Jung is mid-market and I don’t want to drill new holes. I’m a confident assembler but no craftsman.

Tap-plate: sounds like I should play firmer golpes.

If the screw holes don’t line up you can plug the old ones with a toothpick dipped in glue.

You don’t need to drill new holes, in fact it’s better not to drill. Start the hole by poking through the tuner plate with an ice pick ( carpenters marking awl) and then just begin the screw in that hole. The wood is soft and the screws are small, it works this way.

The screws that come with most tuners are very pointy, so you can actually use the screw itself to poke that guide hole. Only error I have made is letting a screw go in slightly crooked by accident. I assume that is the main reason for drilling…but yes, very soft wood.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 18 2023 12:01:12