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I love how he olé's himself after the part where he sings.
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I would not criticize him so fast, it takes balls to get up in front of an audience and accompany yourself and sing tangos.
Most dudes who play flamingo guitar can't even accompany let alone sing cante and make the changes. That guy is doing what aficonados do, play and sing.
On the other hand I seldom watch Ted talks because they are generally boring. They serve a purpose at being gateways for sharing information, but are not that interesting for other pros in a particular field being discussed. LSU is in Louisiana, maybe some folks in that audience might patronize flamenco shows after that or take dance lessons. Locally that might have boosted flamenco.
Remember lots folks of the older generations got into flamenco through Carlos Montoya or Manitas de la Plata, but understand where that is in terms of the journey they took into flamenco. I had Carlos Montoya records and I told one of my early teachers Paco de Malaga that I had them and he said "hey Ok that's cool, but check this out..." then he played me a few PLC riffs....it's all a gateway drug to deeper flamenco.
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RE: Flamenco @ TEDx Talks (in reply to estebanana)
I'm inclined to agree-that guy did a hell of a lot of work to be able to do what he did. But, the result is what it is. It's something people not born into it have to deal with-what level can you reach and how will it be received by aficionados or professionals? And are you comfortable with that?
I got into flamenco because of a record that featured Sabicas and Montoya on alternating cuts. I saw both live, and Carlos was no joke to me. I'm amused when people put him down, many without the knowledge that he played for legends before earning fame for his solo act. I guess I'm kinda old. Hell.
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ORIGINAL: estebanana
I would not criticize him so fast, it takes balls to get up in front of an audience and accompany yourself and sing tangos.
Most dudes who play flamingo guitar can't even accompany let alone sing cante and make the changes. That guy is doing what aficonados do, play and sing.
On the other hand I seldom watch Ted talks because they are generally boring. They serve a purpose at being gateways for sharing information, but are not that interesting for other pros in a particular field being discussed. LSU is in Louisiana, maybe some folks in that audience might patronize flamenco shows after that or take dance lessons. Locally that might have boosted flamenco.
Remember lots folks of the older generations got into flamenco through Carlos Montoya or Manitas de la Plata, but understand where that is in terms of the journey they took into flamenco. I had Carlos Montoya records and I told one of my early teachers Paco de Malaga that I had them and he said "hey Ok that's cool, but check this out..." then he played me a few PLC riffs....it's all a gateway drug to deeper flamenco.
RE: Flamenco @ TEDx Talks (in reply to estebanana)
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ORIGINAL: estebanana Remember lots folks of the older generations got into flamenco through Carlos Montoya or Manitas de la Plata, but understand where that is in terms of the journey they took into flamenco.
If i'm not mistaken in Carlos period of time the solo guitar was not accepted as a stage worthy instrument yet and general public was not ready for a serious solo flamenco guitar concert yet (you could embed a zambra or a granainas solo in a dance program but that was it as far as the general publics acceptance of solo flamenco guitar on stage was concerned). Carlos captured the audience and the stage by giving the illusion the whole flamenco pallet was happening in front of you and he used colorful spotlights to enhance the atmosphere. His efforts made the instrument salon(stage)fähig so in retrospect you could say he paved the way for later generations to shine as a solist on stage. What he could do very well were the popular folkloristic dances and songs.
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RE: Flamenco @ TEDx Talks (in reply to Erik van Goch)
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If i'm not mistaken in Carlos period of time the solo guitar was not accepted as a stage worthy instrument yet and general public was not ready for a serious solo flamenco guitar concert yet (you could skip in a zambra or a granainas solo in a dance program but that was it as far as the general publics acceptance of solo flamenco guitar on stage was concerned). Carlos captured the audience and the stage by giving the illusion the whole flamenco pallet was happening in front of you and he used colorful spotlights to enhance the atmosphere. His efforts made the instrument salon(stage)fähig so in retrospect you could say he paved the way for later generations to shine as a solist on stage. What he could do very well were the popular folkloristic dances and songs.
Carlos Montoya did not just pave the way for later generations to shine as soloists on stage, he himself shone on stage as a soloist. Carlos turned me on to flamenco guitar, first with his vinyl LP albums, and then on stage when he appeared in Phoenix, Arizona back in 1960. I think it was his LP albums that first hooked people, as they did me. Then, as in my case, knowing of Carlos via his LP recordings, you went to see him in concert when he appeared on stage.
Shortly after discovering flamenco via Carlos Montoya, I discovered the magic of Sabicas. Sabicas was a contemporary with Carlos, but he did not often appear on the circuit. As I understand it, Sabicas had a phobia about flying, so he was very limited in the range of concerts he presented. Like Stephen, my good friend and guitar guru Paco de Malaga was the one who many years later introduced me to the real heavyweights of the flamenco guitar: Ramon Montoya, Nino Ricardo, (of course Sabicas), and Paco de Lucia. Nevertheless, I will always be grateful for Carlos Montoya's having introduced me to flamenco guitar in the first place in 1960. At the time, he had been playing the circuit for several years, and it opened up a completely new genre of music to me, one that I have loved ever since.
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I'm inclined to agree-that guy did a hell of a lot of work to be able to do what he did. But, the result is what it is. It's something people not born into it have to deal with-what level can you reach and how will it be received by aficionados or professionals? And are you comfortable with that?
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ORIGINAL: estebanana
I would not criticize him so fast, it takes balls to get up in front of an audience and accompany yourself and sing tangos.
Most dudes who play flamingo guitar can't even accompany let alone sing cante and make the changes. That guy is doing what aficonados do, play and sing.
On the other hand I seldom watch Ted talks because they are generally boring. They serve a purpose at being gateways for sharing information, but are not that interesting for other pros in a particular field being discussed. LSU is in Louisiana, maybe some folks in that audience might patronize flamenco shows after that or take dance lessons. Locally that might have boosted flamenco.
Remember lots folks of the older generations got into flamenco through Carlos Montoya or Manitas de la Plata, but understand where that is in terms of the journey they took into flamenco. I had Carlos Montoya records and I told one of my early teachers Paco de Malaga that I had them and he said "hey Ok that's cool, but check this out..." then he played me a few PLC riffs....it's all a gateway drug to deeper flamenco.
Respect motherfvckers!
Well put guys. Can't exactly say he's my favourite singer, but give the guy a break or I'll upload a video of my singing
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