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kitarist
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RE: arpeggio speed practice regimen (in reply to Ricardo)
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What I am saying is 130 would be a tempo to aim for with ALL techniques, keeping in mind you might want to push it TOWARDS 150. This translates neatly into 13-15 strokes/second, but now it is independent of specifying what the notes-to-beats relationship is. 13-15 strokes/s = 130-150 bpm for pimami sextuplets, one per click. (a 10 multiplier, since 60/6 = 10) 13-15 strokes/s = 195-225 bpm if four notes per click, as how picado speeds are often quoted. (a 15 multiplier, since 60/4 = 15) 13-15 strokes/s = 156-180 bpm for piami tremolo. one piami per click. (a 12 multiplier, since 60/5 = 12) 13-15 strokes/s = 195-225 bpm for pami tremolo, one pami per click.(a 15 multiplier) If these seem hopeless, I'd think reaching 12 strokes/s is an accomplishment in itself for all of these except for pimami sextuplet which just seems easier than the rest. I personally have a big difference between pimami and pamima arpeggio speeds - which I have been working to minimize. It started with a difference of about 35 clicks (pamima being slower); now it is more like a difference of 25 clicks - while both speeds have increased by about 40 clicks each. So, curiously, the difference persists, albeit smaller than before, but both speeds have shot up considerably. So for me, 130+ bpm arpeggio feels like a stretch goal in the same way as for the other techniques only if it is referring to pamima arpeggio; the pimaimi arpeggio is already there. BTW in all of the above, I was thinking about controlled, sustained (beyond a second or two/burst) speed of the respective technique. Otherwise speed comparisons become too weird.
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Date Oct. 14 2020 18:33:59
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kitarist
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RE: arpeggio speed practice regimen (in reply to Ricardo)
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Of course tremolo is harder to do as there is no full planting. Other patterns that avoid the full plant will also be slower going, such as the one you mentioned gives you trouble by comparison. Conversely full plants (pima, or more often p...imaP...imaP) should be easy to achieve at extremely elevated speeds By full planting, are you referring to 'block planting', meaning all fingers participating in an arpeggio pattern are planted on their respective strings before execution? So you are discussing the differences full vs. sequential planting makes in speed of execution? I saw it called 'block planting' in one method and prefer to use that to avoid confusion with the individual finger planting versus no planting issue. So assuming this is what you mean, two things: 1. I do both pimami and pamima arpeggios with sequential planting, yet pimami is faster (or rather it feels more natural to move that way, if that makes any sense, so it ends up being faster). I considered that it might be a weird psychological thing and practiced doing pimamima so both imami and amima occur within the same pattern but it starts as if doing pimami to see if I can trick my brain into playing this p..amima faster (after adjusting for the extra two notes) than pamima. I still have not figured out exactly what happens and why. 2. Even so, back to your argument above - if we do pima full/block planting and thus get it going faster (I know this is true; not arguing if it is correct or not), why is it that, within pimami arpeggio, the coming-back part of the pattern also manages to be faster - the 'ami' of the pimami where we can't do block planting yet somehow the whole pattern gets faster? And thank you for the tip about practicing p.amip amip.. I will try that.
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Date Oct. 17 2020 18:11:42
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Ricardo
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RE: arpeggio speed practice regimen (in reply to devilhand)
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ORIGINAL: devilhand quote:
Sextuplet picados can be done (paco at 132, 6 per click). Is it 3 finger picado? I didn't know Paco played 3 finger picado. quote:
The fastest I have clocked is chanela 115, 8 per click. So 230bpm as 4s, and he wasn’t as clean as normal. His normal comfy 8s are just over 100bpm. If the note value had been continous, slightly greater than 200 bpm would have been between 55th and 60th note or something, which is still crazy fast. I have no clue what you are saying and keep adding extra words to what I say. Where in the hell did I ever mention three finger picado? Two freaking fingers. 6 notes per click, the click =132bpm. Bulerias picado. That’s the same speed as triplets at 264bpm. 13.2 notes per second. 55th or 60th note? What the hell are you saying? I said paco does 8 notes per click just above 100 (104 his favorite ie most common tempo, but 99-107bpm is normal range). That is called 32nd notes. If you call em 16th notes, ie 4 notes per click, then the click would be 200-214bpm. And yes, ALSO paco does do three finger a-m-i runs on occasion. I am sure I showed those videos already when it was discussed about apoyando arpegio. It’s not for speed, he does not increase subdivisions above the i-m picado speed when he uses it.
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