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chester

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not flamenco.

https://www.facebook.com/mujerklorica/videos/899809136745907/

Forget bass and harmonica. The new hotness is flamenco trumpet.

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rombsix

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to chester)

You're going to upset John Walsh.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2016 4:03:18

chester

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to rombsix)

Don't get me wrong -- I love this stuff!
I'm just trying to make fun of the purists.

Maybe I should've added /s ...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2016 5:28:46

JohnWalshGuitar

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to chester)

Don't worry Ramzi, I'm not that easily upset. Anyway, José knows more about flamenco than any of us here ever will so I wouldn't worry about it

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2016 7:22:33

estebanana

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to chester)

I've always thought the oboe was under utilized in flamenco. the voice is more flamenco than flute.
Miles Davis' tone was very flamenco. IMHO.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2016 12:56:28

BarkellWH

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to estebanana)

For flamenco accompaniment, nothing beats a kazoo. Lacking a kazoo, the old comb and tissue paper will do just fine.

Bill

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2016 13:57:53

at_leo_87

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to chester)

this is beautiful! the trumpet isnt that rare in flamenco but i haven't seen that metal turtle shell drum thingy used that much.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2016 17:54:47

chester

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to at_leo_87)

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the trumpet isnt that rare in flamenco

Really? I haven't seen it before. I thought it added a cool film noir vibe. I was waiting for Philip Marlowe to start a monologue.

That turtle shell drum thingy is called a pantam, I think.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2016 1:03:25

Dudnote

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to BarkellWH)

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For flamenco accompaniment, nothing beats a kazoo. Lacking a kazoo, the old comb and tissue paper will do just fine.

It's not what you got, it's how you play it. I was recently at a party with a bunch of young Cuban pro musicians. Their guitarist had my blanca, their drummer was handed a tambour and the violinist let rip on a plastic bottle and a pen knife - and man, he was awesome on that plastic bottle!!

Nice film Chester - but the editing of their videos always bugs me. You know they're being awesome, but then it cuts and you don't get to a

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2016 2:25:34

Estevan

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to chester)

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[El Tiriti:] the trumpet isnt that rare in flamenco

[El chester:] Really? I haven't seen it before.

It has spoiled (for me) a number of Vicente's pieces that were otherwise good. But as Estebanana suggests, it depends how it's played - Miles style is a better fit with flamenco than Chuck Mangione, which is what Vicente's guy makes me think of. (And yes, bring on the oboe - even better, oboe d'amore.)

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I thought it added a cool film noir vibe. I was waiting for Philip Marlowe to start a monologue.

He's old school. Muy flamenco, though.

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That turtle shell drum thingy is called a pantam, I think.

It's a Swiss invention called Hang. And I haven't seen/heard/imagined it in flamenco, though it is the kind of thing that you might encounter down the calle from the flamenco, in Granada for example, played by a white dude with dreads.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2016 2:29:02

Estevan

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to Dudnote)

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Nice film Chester - but the editing of their videos always bugs me. You know they're being awesome, but then it cuts and you don't get to a

That's exactly what I

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2016 2:31:07

Ricardo

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to chester)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chester

quote:

the trumpet isnt that rare in flamenco

Really? I haven't seen it before. I thought it added a cool film noir vibe. I was waiting for Philip Marlowe to start a monologue.

That turtle shell drum thingy is called a pantam, I think.

Vicente Amigo introduces trumpet (instead of the already decade and half old soprano sax/flute stuff of Pardo) in about 1996. It was certainly meant to evoke the "jazzy" vibe many flamenco aficionados love to hate.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2016 10:46:37

Piwin

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to Ricardo)

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instead of the already decade and half old soprano sax/flute stuff of Pardo

We could go back much further even if we include the likes of Fernando Vilches. But those guys didn't really play in a jazz vibe. Seems like they were mainly just trying to copy cante and not to add an additional layer of music.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2016 17:45:21

RobJe

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to chester)

If we are having trumpet players let them be dressed properly.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2016 18:42:02

ViejoAmargo

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to RobJe)

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If we are having trumpet players let them be dressed properly.

Rob

LOL... Sadly, that's what many Americans think it's a typical flamenco outfit

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 24 2016 0:43:23

ViejoAmargo

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to ViejoAmargo)

I'm definitely more into traditional flamenco, not into weird instruments (violin, saxophone, even cajón feels a bit too fusioney to me...) yet I heard this, a soleá w/ a "marimba" and I have to admit it SOUNDS very flamenco... "It's how you play it" I guess...
https://youtu.be/Xz8r47I-nVw

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 24 2016 0:59:06

Red_Label

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RE: not flamenco. (in reply to ViejoAmargo)

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ORIGINAL: ViejoAmargo

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ORIGINAL: RobJe

If we are having trumpet players let them be dressed properly.

Rob

LOL... Sadly, that's what many Americans think it's a typical flamenco outfit

So true. I'm not a purist in any art form. But it does irritate me that of my fellow Americans don't know the difference between mariachi and flamenco. Or flamenco and flamingo!!!

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