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Ricardo
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 RE: Different Picado schools (in reply to Rennes)
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ORIGINAL: Rennes
After seeing various examples of picado technique, I get the impression that there is basically two different approaches to playing picado.
1. The Sabicas school with a bended wrist.
2. Paco style with a flat wrist.
Do you agree?, and if so what do you prefer and why?
Generally this is correct. The first one is more natural to many, the 2nd is learned by imitating a maestro. The main reason #2 is better overall is it allows for less hand/position movement between arpeggio and scale passages which is helpful when playing fast. However, even though it might feel more comfortable when the players gets used to it, there is no speed advantage over #1, as can be seen by countless examples of both styles. While you might hear arguments about speed and tone, I think that there is too much evidence that these things are the result of other factors. I suggest to students that if they are playing well using #1 to just stick with it and gain inspiration from the other players that do well with that technique. I don't mind showing #2 to students that are wanted to develop that either, but it is more about the look and feel of the technique than the musical result. In other words, changing technique will take time and that might not be ideal.
Edit:I wanted to point out that the wrist is superficially involved here, the true difference between the schools is the amount of bend in the middle joint of the index and middle fingers, which in turn may or may not affect the thumb and wrist positions.
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Date Nov. 8 2016 16:21:38
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eugensedko
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RE: Different Picado schools (in reply to Rennes)
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Rennes
After seeing various examples of picado technique, I get the impression that there is basically two different approaches to playing picado.
1. The Sabicas school with a bended wrist.
2. Paco style with a flat wrist.
Do you agree?, and if so what do you prefer and why?
I think it it depends on your style, sitting position, hand proportions and personal comfort.
That's why as for me there are two main "schools", even better to say "approaches", I'm agree with kitarist: 1) that adapts to your proportions, personal style and comfort; 2) that requires copying somebody because he plays/played very good.
Playing i-a picado can be comfortable because these fingers have about the same length. But as always, there are some disadvantages: i-a are more far relative to each other (than i-m), picado sounds will differ from each other, tension of a string will be more different on two fingers, as a result you will have dirtier sound of picado. But it is easier because two fingers are bended equally. Otherwise you must bend M finger a little bit more.
If you play with a flat wrist, I suppose your flexor muscle will work more effectively, your ligaments will be straight and you can pick the string with a strong impulse. Angle of power will be different, an attack will sound sharper. If your ligaments are bended, I believe it is harder. For example, Sabicas had clear sound and good rhythmical pulse but he was not able to play play with such a strong Paco's impulse. Grisha Goryachev can, but I think it is because of another anatomy.
By the way, Serranito plays picado with a-m-i fingers. But there was one russian guy Dmitry Mamontov, he played really amazing a-m-i picado.
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