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12850bd

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From: australia

Rasqueados

I love the style of this guitarist with jessica canovas but does anyone know how he does his rasqueados in this tango. for example at 1.11 It doesnt seem to be the normal i up followed by m and i down or p up followed by m i down.??

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 25 2016 11:16:06

Dudnote

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RE: Rasqueados (in reply to 12850bd)

It's called 'abanico' - tap that into youtube for hundreds of tutorials.
eg...
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=rasgueo%20abanico&sm=1

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 25 2016 11:22:26

BarkellWH

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RE: Rasqueados (in reply to Dudnote)

Just to flesh out Dudnote's explanation a bit. It is called "Abanico" because in Spanish Abanico means "fan," and it is called that because of the fan-like movement of the right hand required to produce it.

Not nitpicking, Dudnote. Just wanted to elaborate.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 25 2016 13:48:27

rombsix

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RE: Rasqueados (in reply to 12850bd)

quote:

It doesnt seem to be the norma

Abanico is indeed what he does at 1:11, however, this guitarist also does the non-thumb rasgueados "backwards". Starting with index, middle, ring, pinky rather than starting with pinky, ring, middle, and index.

See here:

https://youtu.be/YqmE2m3oK3Y?t=2m44s

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 25 2016 14:25:16

12850bd

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RE: Rasqueados (in reply to 12850bd)

thx guys ....I realised it was something like abanico but I could see the fingers going in different order. The back to front rasqueado explains it

will try this.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 26 2016 6:10:53

Blondie#2

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RE: Rasqueados (in reply to rombsix)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rombsix

quote:

It doesnt seem to be the norma

Abanico is indeed what he does at 1:11, however, this guitarist also does the non-thumb rasgueados "backwards". Starting with index, middle, ring, pinky rather than starting with pinky, ring, middle, and index.

See here:

https://youtu.be/YqmE2m3oK3Y?t=2m44s

I didn't realise Ben did his rasgueados backwards!

I always thought something looked a little unusual in his videos, I wonder why he does them like that, especially since in that demo video his AMI sounds better to me than his IMA

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 26 2016 8:57:12

Dudnote

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RE: Rasqueados (in reply to BarkellWH)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BarkellWH
Not nitpicking, Dudnote. Just wanted to elaborate.

It needed elaborating - I wrote that real fast.

Abanico fingerring, the 2 most common are
p (up) am (down) p (down) [repeat]
P (up) x (down) i (down) [repeat]

@12850bd Ramsi didn't mean the abanico was reversed, he was talikng about finger flicking (anchored thumb & wrist) rasgueado. Most people work pinky -> index, but some reverse and go index -> pinky.

As a complete side note, I came across a rare one recently in the garrotin of Paco Peña's book, p (down) i ( up) i(down) - weird!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 26 2016 12:21:10

jsndlng

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RE: Rasqueados (in reply to Dudnote)

I thought I asked this earlier - I thought up a four stroke abanico I've not seen played elsewhere which works marvellous, does anyone else perform such a thing? It makes for very rapid 32nd notes - though I'm still building the facility, it is quite solid.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2016 9:16:42

Dudnote

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RE: Rasqueados (in reply to jsndlng)

x a m i p (down) p (up) - 6 note abanico. Works best if free styles.A variation is to leave our p (down) to get a 5 note pattern.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2016 12:28:26

Piwin

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RE: Rasqueados (in reply to Dudnote)

so...hum...when does it stop being a fan and more of a panicky octopus?

seriously though, how do you define an "abanico"? to me it was just the 3-beat cycle with somewhere in there a thumb up and a thumb down and pretty much anything else for the other beat.
I use p(up)amip(down) fairly often, or the old ai(down)p(up) but never really thought of them as abanicos (abanici????).

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2016 14:15:34

jsndlng

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RE: Rasqueados (in reply to Piwin)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Piwin

so...hum...when does it stop being a fan and more of a panicky octopus?
seriously though, how do you define an "abanico"? to me it was just the 3-beat cycle with somewhere in there a thumb up and a thumb down and pretty much anything else for the other beat.
I use p(up)amip(down) fairly often, or the old ai(down)p(up) but never really thought of them as abanicos (abanici????).

Nah. This is defs a fan, no octopus - same mechanism as pmp / pci and plenty umpff on the upstroke.

https://youtu.be/DmgIx5zUD5o

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2016 19:28:07

orsonw

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RE: Rasqueados (in reply to jsndlng)

quote:

I thought up a four stroke abanico I've not seen played elsewhere which works marvellous, does anyone else perform such a thing?

P up A down I down P down? Cano Roto players use this. El Viejin, Ramon Jimenez etc.. attributed to El Nani. I've seen players in Seville use it also.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2016 19:46:08

jsndlng

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RE: Rasqueados (in reply to orsonw)

quote:

ORIGINAL: orsonw

quote:

I thought up a four stroke abanico I've not seen played elsewhere which works marvellous, does anyone else perform such a thing?

P up A down I down P down? Cano Roto players use this. El Viejin, Ramon Jimenez etc.. attributed to El Nani. I've seen players in Seville use it also.

I think when I develop it faster I will make it paip but in this video it is pcip ... I knew it must have been used elsewhere :( :) I already have a fairy quick Pmp but I think at speed this fan type four stroke will give me a lot of choice for longer passages. Cano roto eh. Thanks - I will try to find.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2016 20:14:03