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From: Encinitas, CA USA
RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to jg7238)
Such a beautiful piece and awesome player. Too bad the video is so dark and fuzzy, I can't even make out his fingers.
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Ah well, there was a fantastic passion there, in my case anyway. I discovered flamenco very early on. It grips you in a way that you can't get away - Paco Pena
Posts: 503
Joined: Jun. 14 2014
From: Encinitas, CA USA
RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to jg7238)
Maybe this will help
Wow, it helped a ton. Can see it very clearly now. Too bad because its going to divert me from practicing.
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Ah well, there was a fantastic passion there, in my case anyway. I discovered flamenco very early on. It grips you in a way that you can't get away - Paco Pena
Ah well, there was a fantastic passion there, in my case anyway. I discovered flamenco very early on. It grips you in a way that you can't get away - Paco Pena
RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Cervantes)
Rafa is a total beast.Love the guy's playing. I figured some members could get something out of it. I might start looking at this one. Right now I think he's my favorite flamenco player.
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Joined: Jun. 14 2014
From: Encinitas, CA USA
RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to rombsix)
If you can see what he is doing, great. I can't see his fingers or frets on the guitar in the original video. Maybe it looks different on your monitor. Let us know when you have the tab done
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Ah well, there was a fantastic passion there, in my case anyway. I discovered flamenco very early on. It grips you in a way that you can't get away - Paco Pena
RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Cervantes)
Ok, just started to look at this farruca a bit.. Was able to grasp a small portion but wanted to post my progress.... Should have used my other guitar but was too lazy to grab it...
Posts: 503
Joined: Jun. 14 2014
From: Encinitas, CA USA
RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to jg7238)
Does anybody know what guitar that is Rafa is playing? I can't place that jagged looking headstock. Sure sounds great but this is probably more Rafa than guitar.
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Ah well, there was a fantastic passion there, in my case anyway. I discovered flamenco very early on. It grips you in a way that you can't get away - Paco Pena
RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Cervantes)
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Does anybody know what guitar that is Rafa is playing? I can't place that jagged looking headstock. Sure sounds great but this is probably more Rafa than guitar.
Hermanos Sanchis 1F extra, maybe 1F. It's a fairly typical sounding Sanchis, but of course Rafael Cortes gets the best out of it.
Posts: 503
Joined: Jun. 14 2014
From: Encinitas, CA USA
RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to jg7238)
I thought maybe it could be a Sanchis but the rosette and head really don't match but I agree the sound does. I found a really old post from Ricardo and is with somebody playing what Ricardo calls a Sanchis Rafael Cortes model which does look like the same guitar Rafa is playing. Not sure how it compares to a 1F Extra, probably a good 1F would sound similar.
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Ah well, there was a fantastic passion there, in my case anyway. I discovered flamenco very early on. It grips you in a way that you can't get away - Paco Pena
RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Cervantes)
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If you can see what he is doing, great. I can't see his fingers or frets on the guitar in the original video. Maybe it looks different on your monitor. Let us know when you have the tab done
Dude, his idea is not to have created a studio-level production with that video. You can make out from that low-quality video what is needed to pick up the piece by ear. You listen, then you see the general area of where his left hand is on the fret board, and you amalgamate those two pieces of data to synthesize the farruca. After you've played flamenco for a while, you will realize that a great number of left hand positions gets repeated, and you learn the language of each composer (Vicente, Paco, etc.) which makes picking stuff up much easier. Often you don't need the video, and just by listening to strings that ring (thus they are open strings) and the tone (nylon-sounding versus bass-sounding) will help you know where each note is being played. At times there might be multiple fingerings that work, and if you want to clinch it exactly as the composer intended, then a video will seal the deal.
Of course, if all of the above makes no sense, then a transcription is the way to go.
Posts: 503
Joined: Jun. 14 2014
From: Encinitas, CA USA
RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to rombsix)
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ORIGINAL: rombsix
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If you can see what he is doing, great. I can't see his fingers or frets on the guitar in the original video. Maybe it looks different on your monitor. Let us know when you have the tab done
Dude, his idea is not to have created a studio-level production with that video. You can make out from that low-quality video what is needed to pick up the piece by ear. You listen, then you see the general area of where his left hand is on the fret board, and you amalgamate those two pieces of data to synthesize the farruca. After you've played flamenco for a while, you will realize that a great number of left hand positions gets repeated, and you learn the language of each composer (Vicente, Paco, etc.) which makes picking stuff up much easier. Often you don't need the video, and just by listening to strings that ring (thus they are open strings) and the tone (nylon-sounding versus bass-sounding) will help you know where each note is being played. At times there might be multiple fingerings that work, and if you want to clinch it exactly as the composer intended, then a video will seal the deal.
Of course if all of the above makes no sense, then a transcription is the way to go.
Ramzi,
I agree with what you are saying. My teacher is very good at listening to flamenco and figuring out the notes and chords and is familiar with how different players play things. Me, I know very little mostly I play by looking at tab and memory. What maybe what you didn't understand is when I watch the video on my screen at work or on my Mac Book its so dark I can't even see his fingers or what fret the they are on. I found that when watching on my computer monitor at home which is newer and has LED backlight I can see it much better. Last night I struggled through the first few bars but did figure it out. As you said looking at his fingers doesn't tell you what notes are being played. Its hard to know if a finger is pressing a string or just in the air. I use a program called Transcribe which you can slow down and loop the music and it also has a spectrum that can give an idea of what notes are being played which is really helpful for me. It will probably take me few more weeks to figure out the whole thing. I should just buy the tab but I am too cheap and this is probably good experience even though its tedious and time consuming.
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Ah well, there was a fantastic passion there, in my case anyway. I discovered flamenco very early on. It grips you in a way that you can't get away - Paco Pena
RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Cervantes)
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I thought maybe it could be a Sanchis but the rosette and head really don't match but I agree the sound does. I found a really old post from Ricardo and is with somebody playing what Ricardo calls a Sanchis Rafael Cortes model which does look like the same guitar Rafa is playing. Not sure how it compares to a 1F Extra, probably a good 1F would sound similar.
I presume you are asking about the guitar in the dark La Meiga videos?
You can read the label in the first video around 4.20; it's Sanchis. But the plantilla, rosette and tie block identify it anyhow. The rosette is a typical one they once used on 1F extra models. I didn't see the headstock in the video.
The Sanchis Rafael Cortes model only came as a blanca it's in the 1F quality range (not that the number tells you how good the guitar is). It has a different headstock shape than usual Sanchis.
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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Cervantes)
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Ramzi,
I agree with what you are saying. My teacher is very good at listening to flamenco and figuring out the notes and chords and is familiar with how different players play things. Me, I know very little mostly I play by looking at tab and memory. What maybe what you didn't understand is when I watch the video on my screen at work or on my Mac Book its so dark I can't even see his fingers or what fret the they are on. I found that when watching on my computer monitor at home which is newer and has LED backlight I can see it much better. Last night I struggled through the first few bars but did figure it out. As you said looking at his fingers doesn't tell you what notes are being played. Its hard to know if a finger is pressing a string or just in the air. I use a program called Transcribe which you can slow down and loop the music and it also has a spectrum that can give an idea of what notes are being played which is really helpful for me. It will probably take me few more weeks to figure out the whole thing. I should just buy the tab but I am too cheap and this is probably good experience even though its tedious and time consuming.
Yeah man - just go for it. Do this slowly, and learn it without the tab. Then, get the tab and compare. You will realize how helpful such tedious work is once you do it for a while. It helps in many ways, and once you have more experience with this, it no longer remains tedious, and it liberates you in myriad ways... And it is quite rewarding and such an accomplishment when you transcribe something. At least that is the case for me. Olé!
RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to rombsix)
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The bit about the cat liking the chord is awesome. Towards the end, the cat got up to start the baile solo, but Juan cut the feline off.
Lol now when you say it, it looks like the cat perceives the chord 0:17 as a llamada and takes command of the stage by circling the stage(amplifier)in a graceful fashion with the tail high over his/her head:-D
Lol now when you say it, it looks like the cat perceives the chord 0:17 as a llamada and takes command of the stage by circling the stage(amplifier)in a graceful fashion with the tail high over his/her head:-D