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jg7238

 

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Cool. Thanks!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 11 2015 10:29:05
 
Goldwinghai

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to jg7238

Thanks jg. I need notation in order to follow his playing.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 8 2016 12:58:47
 
Cervantes

 

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to jg7238

Such a beautiful piece and awesome player.
Too bad the video is so dark and fuzzy, I can't even make out his fingers.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2016 17:06:06
 
rombsix

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Cervantes

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Too bad the video is so dark and fuzzy, I can't even make out his fingers.


That's the whole point.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2016 19:09:17
 
El Kiko

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to jg7238

is there a video of Rafa when hes not smoking and playing at the same time ....?

we'd better see him while hes still around .....

great player though
and that funny tremolo above the sound hole at the end of Video 1 . uses the nails going in both directions ....? yes?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2016 20:40:57
 
Cervantes

 

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to jg7238

Maybe this will help



Wow, it helped a ton. Can see it very clearly now.
Too bad because its going to divert me from practicing.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2016 20:50:44
 
rombsix

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and that funny tremolo above the sound hole at the end of Video 1 . uses the nails going in both directions ....? yes?


Just the i & m fingers going up and down sequentially with the front and back sides of the nail (a rasgueado basically).

By the way - the guy talking about image adjustment: is he joking or what? I barely notice any difference!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2016 21:43:13
 
Cervantes

 

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Here is an example after adjustment.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2016 22:05:41
 
jg7238

 

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Cervantes

Rafa is a total beast.Love the guy's playing. I figured some members could get something out of it. I might start looking at this one. Right now I think he's my favorite flamenco player.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 12 2016 22:13:26
 
rombsix

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Cervantes

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Here is an example after adjustment.


Looks worse than the original. Seriously man, the original video is fine.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2016 3:32:32
 
Cervantes

 

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to rombsix

If you can see what he is doing, great.
I can't see his fingers or frets on the guitar in the original video.
Maybe it looks different on your monitor.
Let us know when you have the tab done

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Ah well, there was a fantastic passion there, in my case anyway. I discovered flamenco
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 13 2016 15:18:30
 
jg7238

 

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Cervantes

Ok, just started to look at this farruca a bit.. Was able to grasp a small portion but wanted to post my progress.... Should have used my other guitar but was too lazy to grab it...



  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2016 4:16:11
 
jg7238

 

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to jg7238

was following up on this .. I'm really liking this farruca.... still needs polishing of course...

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2016 19:27:59
 
danm48

 

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Goldwinghai

Hi,
I purchased the tab from tabsflamenco.com. Pretty accurate and reasonably priced. The site has some freebees as well..
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 14 2016 19:34:20
 
Cervantes

 

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to jg7238

Does anybody know what guitar that is Rafa is playing?
I can't place that jagged looking headstock.
Sure sounds great but this is probably more Rafa than guitar.

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El Rey De los Bagres

 

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to jg7238

Nice!

The cat seemed to like the chord @ 0:17

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 15 2016 19:19:35
 
orsonw

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Cervantes

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Does anybody know what guitar that is Rafa is playing?
I can't place that jagged looking headstock.
Sure sounds great but this is probably more Rafa than guitar.


Hermanos Sanchis 1F extra, maybe 1F. It's a fairly typical sounding Sanchis, but of course Rafael Cortes gets the best out of it.

(JG is also playing a Sanchis).
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 15 2016 19:44:06
 
Cervantes

 

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I thought maybe it could be a Sanchis but the rosette and head really don't match but I agree the sound does. I found a really old post from Ricardo and is with somebody playing what Ricardo calls a Sanchis Rafael Cortes model which does look like the same guitar Rafa is playing. Not sure how it compares to a 1F Extra, probably a good 1F would sound similar.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 16 2016 1:14:35
 
Goldwinghai

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to danm48

Does this La Meiga transcription come in standard notation? I am also interested in buying this transcription if there's notation.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 16 2016 3:58:02
 
rombsix

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Goldwinghai

The bit about the cat liking the chord is awesome. Towards the end, the cat got up to start the baile solo, but Juan cut the feline off.

Richard's transcriptions are all done through Guitar Pro 6, so they come with both tab and standard notation.

Olé!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 16 2016 4:57:26
 
rombsix

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Cervantes

quote:

If you can see what he is doing, great.
I can't see his fingers or frets on the guitar in the original video.
Maybe it looks different on your monitor.
Let us know when you have the tab done


Dude, his idea is not to have created a studio-level production with that video. You can make out from that low-quality video what is needed to pick up the piece by ear. You listen, then you see the general area of where his left hand is on the fret board, and you amalgamate those two pieces of data to synthesize the farruca. After you've played flamenco for a while, you will realize that a great number of left hand positions gets repeated, and you learn the language of each composer (Vicente, Paco, etc.) which makes picking stuff up much easier. Often you don't need the video, and just by listening to strings that ring (thus they are open strings) and the tone (nylon-sounding versus bass-sounding) will help you know where each note is being played. At times there might be multiple fingerings that work, and if you want to clinch it exactly as the composer intended, then a video will seal the deal.

Of course, if all of the above makes no sense, then a transcription is the way to go.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 16 2016 5:28:47
 
Cervantes

 

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to rombsix

quote:

ORIGINAL: rombsix

quote:

If you can see what he is doing, great.
I can't see his fingers or frets on the guitar in the original video.
Maybe it looks different on your monitor.
Let us know when you have the tab done


Dude, his idea is not to have created a studio-level production with that video. You can make out from that low-quality video what is needed to pick up the piece by ear. You listen, then you see the general area of where his left hand is on the fret board, and you amalgamate those two pieces of data to synthesize the farruca. After you've played flamenco for a while, you will realize that a great number of left hand positions gets repeated, and you learn the language of each composer (Vicente, Paco, etc.) which makes picking stuff up much easier. Often you don't need the video, and just by listening to strings that ring (thus they are open strings) and the tone (nylon-sounding versus bass-sounding) will help you know where each note is being played. At times there might be multiple fingerings that work, and if you want to clinch it exactly as the composer intended, then a video will seal the deal.

Of course if all of the above makes no sense, then a transcription is the way to go.


Ramzi,

I agree with what you are saying. My teacher is very good at listening to flamenco and figuring out the notes and chords and is familiar with how different players play things.
Me, I know very little mostly I play by looking at tab and memory.
What maybe what you didn't understand is when I watch the video on my screen at work or on my Mac Book its so dark I can't even see his fingers or what fret the they are on.
I found that when watching on my computer monitor at home which is newer and has LED backlight I can see it much better.
Last night I struggled through the first few bars but did figure it out. As you said looking at his fingers doesn't tell you what notes are being played. Its hard to know if a finger is pressing a string or just in the air. I use a program called Transcribe which you can slow down and loop the music and it also has a spectrum that can give an idea of what notes are being played which is really helpful for me. It will probably take me few more weeks to figure out the whole thing. I should just buy the tab but I am too cheap and this is probably good experience even though its tedious and time consuming.

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Ah well, there was a fantastic passion there, in my case anyway. I discovered flamenco
very early on. It grips you in a way that you can't get away - Paco Pena
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 16 2016 16:17:02
 
orsonw

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to Cervantes

quote:

I thought maybe it could be a Sanchis but the rosette and head really don't match but I agree the sound does. I found a really old post from Ricardo and is with somebody playing what Ricardo calls a Sanchis Rafael Cortes model which does look like the same guitar Rafa is playing. Not sure how it compares to a 1F Extra, probably a good 1F would sound similar.


I presume you are asking about the guitar in the dark La Meiga videos?

You can read the label in the first video around 4.20; it's Sanchis. But the plantilla, rosette and tie block identify it anyhow. The rosette is a typical one they once used on 1F extra models. I didn't see the headstock in the video.

The Sanchis Rafael Cortes model only came as a blanca it's in the 1F quality range (not that the number tells you how good the guitar is). It has a different headstock shape than usual Sanchis.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 16 2016 17:22:09
 
rombsix

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quote:

Ramzi,

I agree with what you are saying. My teacher is very good at listening to flamenco and figuring out the notes and chords and is familiar with how different players play things.
Me, I know very little mostly I play by looking at tab and memory.
What maybe what you didn't understand is when I watch the video on my screen at work or on my Mac Book its so dark I can't even see his fingers or what fret the they are on.
I found that when watching on my computer monitor at home which is newer and has LED backlight I can see it much better.
Last night I struggled through the first few bars but did figure it out. As you said looking at his fingers doesn't tell you what notes are being played. Its hard to know if a finger is pressing a string or just in the air. I use a program called Transcribe which you can slow down and loop the music and it also has a spectrum that can give an idea of what notes are being played which is really helpful for me. It will probably take me few more weeks to figure out the whole thing. I should just buy the tab but I am too cheap and this is probably good experience even though its tedious and time consuming.


Yeah man - just go for it. Do this slowly, and learn it without the tab. Then, get the tab and compare. You will realize how helpful such tedious work is once you do it for a while. It helps in many ways, and once you have more experience with this, it no longer remains tedious, and it liberates you in myriad ways... And it is quite rewarding and such an accomplishment when you transcribe something. At least that is the case for me. Olé!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 16 2016 17:59:18
 
jg7238

 

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to rombsix

Ok, continuation of the farruca... Needs some work but getting there.


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El Rey De los Bagres

 

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to rombsix

quote:

The bit about the cat liking the chord is awesome. Towards the end, the cat got up to start the baile solo, but Juan cut the feline off.


Lol now when you say it, it looks like the cat perceives the chord 0:17 as a llamada and takes command of the stage by circling the stage(amplifier)in a graceful fashion with the tail high over his/her head:-D

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 17 2016 13:20:24
 
rombsix

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Lol now when you say it, it looks like the cat perceives the chord 0:17 as a llamada and takes command of the stage by circling the stage(amplifier)in a graceful fashion with the tail high over his/her head:-D


Desperate people, we are. Hahahahahaha!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 17 2016 22:08:14
 
jg7238

 

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I was wondering if I was doing the technique correctly for a part in this farruca by Cortes

I am doing i m i then iup... Repeat....

http://youtu.be/d_RacaR8Q-w
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 27 2016 14:49:29
 
rombsix

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RE: For anyone interested in learnin... (in reply to jg7238

quote:

was wondering if I was doing the technique correctly for a part in this farruca by Cortes

I am doing i m i then iup... Repeat....


What he does is:

m down
i down
m up
i up

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