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Sr. Martins
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RE: Saddle vs. Nut (in reply to FERREREZAKI)
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I ain't no luthier but I am familiar with different instruments. From observing and playing with many kinds of bridges, I would assume that the saddle on spanish guitars should be tight as "in place" and maybe not tight as in "hard to get out". If it is loose, the saddle might get angled inside the slot.. which would reduce proper contact. What I mean is that many instruments don't even have a saddle slot, the saddle is just held by the downward force applied by the strings... which means that they can't be tight because there's nothing to "be tight to". Double basses/cellos/violins, mandolins, jazz guitars, etc... they all have this kind of free saddle held by downward force and they all work fine. I would suspect that since the tie block is very near the saddle on a spanish guitar, the increasing amount of break angle will make the saddle force the wall of the slot towards the headstock.. and if the fit isn't tight, the saddle will be crooked. All this to say that if the break angle is shallow, you probably can get away with a less than tight fit while maintaining contact at the bottom, just like the instruments that don't have a saddle slot.
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Date Dec. 20 2015 15:50:54
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: Saddle vs. Nut (in reply to Sr. Martins)
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I ain't no luthier but I am familiar with different instruments. From observing and playing with many kinds of bridges, I would assume that the saddle on spanish guitars should be tight as "in place" and maybe not tight as in "hard to get out". If it is loose, the saddle might get angled inside the slot.. which would reduce proper contact. What I mean is that many instruments don't even have a saddle slot, the saddle is just held by the downward force applied by the strings... which means that they can't be tight because there's nothing to "be tight to". Double basses/cellos/violins, mandolins, jazz guitars, etc... they all have this kind of free saddle held by downward force and they all work fine. I would suspect that since the tie block is very near the saddle on a spanish guitar, the increasing amount of break angle will make the saddle force the wall of the slot towards the headstock.. and if the fit isn't tight, the saddle will be crooked. All this to say that if the break angle is shallow, you probably can get away with a less than tight fit while maintaining contact at the bottom, just like the instruments that don't have a saddle slot. You are totally mixing up things. You cannot compare the violin/cello family with the flattop guitar family. Its two completely different things. I build both. Its VERY important that the bridge of an arch top instrument fits tightly with the soundboard. And your ideas about breakangle etc are totally blurry.
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Date Dec. 21 2015 7:57:11
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mmmenk
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RE: Saddle vs. Nut (in reply to Ruphus)
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What you say is so true. It all comes down to the player, and they need to get what they want. My father did the most screwed up thing that I have ever seen in my entire life. He had this junk guitar that he bought at Sears, back in 1959, back before all the cheap stuff coming out of Japan, then China. Guitar was probably made in Chicago. The action was messed up, so he wanted to fix it himself. Mr Meg was a smart guy, trained as a scientist, but lost his mind in WW2. He could bang out a great song, and learned to play the guitar in the army, from some good ole southern boys. His talking blues were the best. Here is what happened: the action was too low and buzzing, so he takes out a lead weight from an exercise trainer, and bangs it with a hammer to bring it up to the height that he needs to stop the strings from buzzing, and finally gets it flat and tall enough to satisfy his needs. And he just jams it up against the front of the bridge, and has a good old time with his guitar. I guess since he never shifted his chord formations out of first position, the intonation thing was never a factor for him. One last factoid about Mr. M. He had the largest hands in the land. He could cover 2 strings with the tip of his little finger. He had some really cool techniques for forming chords with his paws. He was the best, that is why I love the guitar so much.
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