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RE: Gil de Avalle Flamenco Guitar pl... (in reply to Gildeavalle)
My personal opinion, and I may get in trouble for saying this, is that the guitar sound is a little too close to the top surface rather than a vowel tone in the middle register... this makes it too metallic sounding than a more vowel sound like a human voice, which projects better. This sound will project somewhat on the treble end but not provide a deeper dimensional mid range quality that speaks to the heart. Just my opinion.
RE: Gil de Avalle Flamenco Guitar pl... (in reply to Gildeavalle)
Tom, youtube compression and webcam mic's hardly give a good sound baseline to go from to even begin to make a judgement on tone. I imagine this guitar sounds quite different in person.
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RE: Gil de Avalle Flamenco Guitar pl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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ORIGINAL: Tom Blackshear
My personal opinion, and I may get in trouble for saying this, is that the guitar sound is a little too close to the top surface rather than a vowel tone in the middle register... this makes it too metallic sounding than a more vowel sound like a human voice, which projects better. This sound will project somewhat on the treble end but not provide a deeper dimensional mid range quality that speaks to the heart. Just my opinion.
Is it not a good thing to have DIFFERENT voices? Otherwise, why own more than ONE guitar after all?
RE: Gil de Avalle Flamenco Guitar pl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
Thank you Tom. I really appreciate your pereception. I love constructive opinions. I will attach another video with the same guitarrist Rafa Soler, after a few of years and some videos with other flamenco guitarist Paco Cortes playing for the museum video. I will try to recover another videos of Paco Cortes playing my guitars, Habichuela and others. Please, it is quite important to me to know your opinion about the evolution of the first one, and the other professional guitaristts playing. RAFAEL SOLER
RE: Gil de Avalle Flamenco Guitar pl... (in reply to Gildeavalle)
I like very much this kind of sound: I suppose it is very typical of many guitars from Granada: well defined and deep basses with bright trebles. My Bellido has the same character and I love it. It's my experience that many people are quite critical at the beginning but after having played a little this kind of guitar they fall in love with it (it's my case also).
I think Tom Blackshear is right: there is not that boost in the mid-frequencies that makes the note project ahead and gives that "raspy" whole character. It's not the kind of flamenco guitar of Sabicas or Mario Escudero.
On the other side the sound is more deep and the note doesn't come out as compressed as in the Conde-style guitars and as a consequence you have room to be way more expressive with the vibratos and to work better with the dynamics (to play with the Vicente Amigo style). Maybe this is the so-called andalusian sound. Imho the guitars from Granada are really under rated considered how much they offer and the average quality.
I'm not aware of guitars able to join very well these 2 personalities but Reyes. As I don't have the money for a Reyes I am most satisfied with a nice raspy guitar and a nice Granada guitar.
RE: Gil de Avalle Flamenco Guitar pl... (in reply to Gildeavalle)
Correct me if I´m wrong, but I think YT compression concerns video resolution.
Anyway, you can have good enough audio from YT if the source provides it, and the examples with exception of the last clip seem to allow for a decent impression of the instruments, which again sound like fine stuff to me.
RE: Gil de Avalle Flamenco Guitar pl... (in reply to Ruphus)
Youtube also compresses audio as well depending on the upload. That's why you hear mp3 like washout on some audio. It used to be a lot worse back in the day but not that you can do full HD videos it's not such a big deal. However camera microphones are still terrible.
RE: Gil de Avalle Flamenco Guitar pl... (in reply to Echi)
I think Tom Blackshear is right: there is not that boost in the mid-frequencies that makes the note project ahead and gives that "raspy" whole character.
RE: Gil de Avalle Flamenco Guitar pl... (in reply to Gildeavalle)
A shame that there are no more tracks available, and none with better audio quality. But even these two examples do prove quite well what Tom means, and how it will come through yet with inferiour recordings.
Many years ago, I had been exchanging thoughts with Tom on the AG forum already,(besides considering him to be just another good luthier, - though quite expensive) but when I heard a recording with a guitar of his for the first time, my jaw dropped on the keyboard and I sent him an e-mail with glowing admiration for his ability to build fantastic stuff.
Never having had one in hands, I can´t know about playability and only speculate about how it feels on the right hand (pulsation), but concerning the sound there is no doubt how balanced, separating and articulate things are.
Were I a promissing luthier I would visit him to learn how he does it. It could be making the difference between being good and being outstanding.
RE: Gil de Avalle Flamenco Guitar pl... (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
So, it not just me? That guitar's tone is what I long for... It hits me just right to the point, that I don't care to analyze what it is I like about it.
Tom, I 've said it before. Sometimes I think you are a wizard.
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