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PauloK

 

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I need to understand 

Why has this ****ty guitar player so much view? Is there something specific about him i ignore? I am just amazed by the comments and the number of views given his very poor "flamenco" performance...

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 11 2015 16:51:29
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to PauloK

More views means more chances of having someone commenting.

You viewed it and you're also commenting...


Sorry, I guess I missed the point.

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to PauloK

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Why has this ****ty guitar player so much view? Is there something specific about him i ignore? I am just amazed by the comments and the number of views given his very poor "flamenco" performance...

So you shared his video so we all get to witness how bad it was and up the views count ???

You can safely assume those making the "OMG" style comments never heard this.

or this

or this


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El Kiko

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to Dudnote

yes .. you are now his unofficial promoter for boosting his rating numbers, getting more people to watch ............noting travels as fast as bad news ... eh?

as for them others Dudnote.....ricardo nino..?...sabicas...and paco somebody-or-other...
cant see them doing much either ....never be as good as Elvis ., Abba ..the glitter band etc....

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to PauloK

This is just one example, among many, of the downside of the internet and social media and their effect across the board: music, opinions, so-called "news," and above all "commentary." Before the advent of the internet and social media, the outlets for music, news, and commentary may have been much more restrictive, but they served as a filter that more or less separated the wheat from the chaff. In today's world there is no filter. There is no discerning authority determining what is legitimate and what is not. Anything goes.

Today, any fool can start his own blog and is read by many who have no idea whether he has something useful to contribute to the subject or not. Blogs, tweets, and all manner of social media permeate the ether, and the problem is that so many no longer read in-depth news and commentary; they just settle for small bites on the internet and other media without having the depth required to analyze whether what they are reading has any substance or not. I would wager the same holds true for music.

Yes, yes, I know. Everyone has a right to express an opinion on anything, whether knowledgeable or not. But when everyone expresses an opinion through blogs, tweets, and the wonders of social media, we should not be surprised when much of what passes for "insight" is simply the triumph of the lowest common denominator.

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Sr. Martins

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to BarkellWH



Seems legit.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 11 2015 19:34:13
 
El Kiko

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to BarkellWH

BarkellWH.....that is so true ...and a very well written and formal post ...
well done ,, nice to read .
I totally agree with everything written , apart from a few commas ...

The floodgates are open , so now you are your own censor .

as someone once said ....''I cant believe it , someone is wrong on the internet !!''

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Dudnote

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to Sr. Martins

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ORIGINAL: Sr. Martins



Seems legit.



When I was studying math at univeristy I had a rather flamboyant friend studying French (and was a pretty good classical pianist too) who would burst in whilst I was doing calculus problems and loudly declare "Logic Crushes All!". Years later when I started looking at French grammar it finally twigged where he was coming from.

The words "musical illiteracy" have been knocking about in my brain for a while now - since they where put there by a cuban cellist. Recently we took our kids with a friend and her kids to what we thought was going to be a hip-hop dance competition. Each dancer / dance duo were given no more than 2 minutes to impress the judges. Sadly, there was rather little dance and far too much sub-mediocre rapping (those guys got 1/2 hour each which was pretty painful to sit through) and we walked out before the dancers that our friend had hoped to see even got to the stage. The highlight of the night was during the "soul" dance contest. After the first two acts of teenage girl duos doing nothing but wiggling their bottoms in seductive ragga fashion one of the judges proclaimed "I have to say this, the last two acts were not soul. There has to be some respect for certain things". Luckily the last two duos did pay genuine respect to the tradition, were pretty good and went through to the finals the next day.

Not all rap drives me to tears, for example, there is a good rap on State of Art, the first album of jazz bassist Ben Williams, about the tragic life and death of a trumpet progeny. But man, there is so much bad music about that it is not suprising that the guitarist featured in the original post here can wow people. Hell, even Dudnote can wow people and my toque is not far off being as sloppy as it can get.

There are countries where a musical education amongst the young is compulsory. I decry any culture where people are too inhibited to embark on musical endeavours. But it's far too common.

Allez Bill, I don't remember ever hearing your guitar playing. Post something, anything. Give us a twang on your guitar por favor!!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 11 2015 21:06:18
 
Morante

 

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to BarkellWH

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we should not be surprised when much of what passes for "insight" is simply the triumph of the lowest common denominator.


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Leñador

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to PauloK

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I decry any cultue where people are too inhibited to embark on musical endeavours. But it's far too common.

Sadly the United States, music courses are being eliminated left and right. My ex's niece has JUST picked up violin in school and the next year the school cut the music program. My ex and I volunteered to pay for private lessons and even sadder her father was too proud to accept the money, leaving her with no music in her life other than the **** that comes on the radio.

Something that struck me in Spain was the emphasis they put on art, you can tell just walking through the cities and talking to people that they value all forms of art and truly think it's important.
I grew up in Los Angeles a supposed "artsy" city and I can tell you in our schools and streets art doesn't have a fraction of the value. Really sad actually and I didn't realize exactly how bad it was till I visited another country. Made my city feel almost third world.

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to Leñador

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grew up in Los Angeles a supposed "artsy" city and I can tell you in our schools and streets art doesn't have a fraction of the value. Really sad actually and I didn't realize exactly how bad it was till I visited another country. Made my city feel almost third world.


Really? After morante just got through illustrating what spaniards think of guitar solo music?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 12 2015 3:11:39
 
Leñador

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to PauloK

Hahahaha I hear you but I don't picture Spain canceling music classes left and right in major cities. I could absolutely be wrong being I was only there a month but it felt like art was everywhere in Sevilla.
And Morante was talking specifically Peña attendees, from what I saw regular Spaniards love guitar music, the cheesier and more "rumbaey" the better.....or romantic lol.

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koenie17

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to Leñador

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I hear you but I don't picture Spain canceling music classes left and right in major cities. I could absolutely be wrong


Actually music lessons are being cancelled in most of the public schools, aswell as art clases, philosophy, etc. as the minister of educacion calls them distractive?!?. I know this because I´ve got both my sons in public school in Málaga for about 10 years.
The truth is that the politicians dont give **** about culture in general.
The only times that they care is when they can collect a prize of some kind, for example UNESCO who declared flamenco patrimonio de la humanidad. That´s when all the politicians and socalled important people are in the front row clapping along and let their picture taken for the newspapers.
Actually the Andalucian centre of Flamenco(CAF) in Jerez de la Frontera had a politician(Luis Guerrero) as general director for the last years, he claims that he never knew he was a director, and didn´t know anything about flamenco... and worse, never been to the center(CAF) in Jerez!! The only thing he knew was to collect the wage(about € 2000 a month) he received being director of this centre.
The people who really care about flamenco are the peñas flamencas! This is where the members work for free just for the love of flamenco music, thanks for the peñas and los aficionados(fans?) flamenco and its traditions are being kept like it deserves.
Politicians have nothing to do with it!!

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to koenie17

In the valley where I lived, each village had its own Casa Cultura but they were mostly empty. The occasional Yoga or Pilates class, but no music or art activities to speak of and that was before the 2008 slump. They are very small villages though.

You can't move for cultural events in Bath.

http://listomaniabath.com/whats-on?cat=25

I love it here.

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Morante

 

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to Leñador

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I could absolutely be wrong being I was only there a month but it felt like art was everywhere in Sevilla.


Do not think that the general level of cultural appreciation has anything to do with the average aficionado´s distain for solo guitar.

In spite of our present goverment´s anti culture effords in raising taxes and IVA on cultural events and cutting subventions, the arts flourish.

In Cádiz there are usually a number of exhibitions open: at present one dedicated to Mariana Cornejo, another to Picasso.

The Pelícano Music Café has a wide variety of events every day Tuesday to Saturday: Tuesday is reserved for cante, without amplification.

Musicário is an organisation of members which promotes jazz and brings touring groups once a month as well as organizing a major event in the summer with international artists giving performances and workshops.

Cambalache Jazz Club has live music every Thursday: there is a school of jazz in the University and when it is functioning, the students have a jam sesión in Cambalache every Wednesday.

There are 3 Peñas Flamencas, Juan Villar, La Perla and Enrique el Mellizo, which have live flamenco on a weekly basis.

Various bars and restaurants also have flamenco without amplication from time to time.

Halls such as Supersonic concentrate on rock music.

In addition there is a classical society which organizes concerts, either in the Museum or in a church.

Not to mention the dominant musical form which is everywhere: Carnaval!
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Sr. Martins

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to Leñador

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Hahahaha I hear you but I don't picture Spain canceling music classes left and right in major cities. I could absolutely be wrong being I was only there a month but it felt like art was everywhere in Sevilla.


Did you get the tourist treatment? Sounds like you did..

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Leñador

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to PauloK

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Did you get the tourist treatment? Sounds like you did..

Haha, maybe, or maybe because I was on vacation and there for arts it seemed so abundant.

Sounds like I'm getting two competing ideas of Spain from Morante and Koenie. That's terrible to hear they're canceling music programs though....my first year of high school before I got kicked out and sent to pregnant girl school my report card had ALL F's and one A in jazz band, it was kinda hilarious.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 12 2015 12:53:31
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: I need to understand (in reply to Leñador

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Haha, maybe, or maybe because I was on vacation and there for arts it seemed so abundant.


Not only that but also you have to remember that what you experienced is not representative of the whole. Just because you see people performing that doesn't mean that they are getting any support.. many are "lucky" if the police doesn't show up and tell them to move along.

Here in Portugal is the same thing, no funding for arts right now. The music conservatory is a beautiful palace but it is falling apart and there's no money to restore it. It even rains inside.. People keep teaching there without getting paid.

Besides, arts are not really considered a job over here and although I am not living in Spain, I am pretty sure it's the same thing over there.


one A in jazz band


uuuu... Mr. fancy education.

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