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I've seen that kid play on YouTube. I think Vicente might be saying "this little punk has nothing on these guns!" Essentially "Palma" blocking
About smoking & booze - yeah my friend. Those things will make you look at least 10 years older than your chronological age... sinister addictions, they are! (*Yoda voice*)
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RE: Vicente Amigo's music (in reply to Bliblablub)
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People who never drink or smoke are unbearable.
Reminds me of the quote attributed to W.C. Fields:
"It was a woman who drove me to drink, and I never had the courtesy to thank her for it."
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white, With the name of the late deceased, And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here, Who tried to hustle the East."
I can't find a lot of material about him, his technique, ecc.
Would anybody be so kind and suggest me a sort of a roadmap to learn a bit of what he does so maybe I can incorporate his ideas in my music?
Do you guys think it would be interesting to start learning proper techniques like rasgueo, alzapua, ecc in a separate setting and then maybe try and pick his songs by ear?
Which tunes/albums are you most familiar/drawn to?
His technique is pretty standard flamenco technique (on a very high and refined level of course).
Which 'ideas' would you want to incorporate? A melody's a melody - you can probably pick that out without learning any special technique, same thing with harmonies (although those would be harder to pick out by ear).
I'm somewhat like you, although I've been playing longer. I play a little of this and that - more interested in sounding like myself rather than following in a specific tradition. I'd definitely recommend studying some flamenco techniques/rhythms to widen your guitar palette.
Learn some different rasgeados in different rhythms - triplets/sixtuplets, eights/sixteenths, straight (alegrias style) and swinging (jerez style). Alzapua is cool but it has been pretty hard for me to do something that doesn't sound wannabe flamenco with it - but what do you have to lose? Learn those as well. Learn how to groove in a siguiriyas rhythm - the basic chords are easy. Then learn bulerias.
Just like Lenador implied Vicente's tunes are extremely difficult and his sound is full of nuance. We have a member here (luciano) who uploaded a great version of callejon de la luna, but he's one of the most technically gifted players I've ever seen (and I'm sure it took him considerable effort to learn the the tune).
Anyway, enjoy the ride. Flamenco is a whole world and may consume you (as you can see by some passionate replies here). I'm looking forward to hearing your creations (as long as there are no programmed backing tracks )
RE: Vicente Amigo's music (in reply to tijeretamiel)
I would find a few videos of Amigo on YouTube, and transcribe.
I find it a lot easier to transcribe when you can see what is going on with the left hand, and you can also study right hand technique by watching closely.
Just slow the videos down, and don´t try to play things fast until you know exactly what is going on.
RE: Vicente Amigo's music (in reply to tijeretamiel)
por medio - thanks for the pointer.
tri7/5 - yeah I agree, we all express our uniqueness and this is what makes music beautiful
hamia - thanks for chiming in, again, it's not my intention to sound like him
gj Michelob - Ciao! I'll try to share something. It's nothing do to with flamenco, right now it's all just guitar and voice but I'm not sure it would be interesting for foroflamenco (it's rough acoustic folk - slow rock and still to be produced). I'll share some instrumental as soon as I polish it a bit :). This is for my songwriting anyway: www.deanpeter.com
JasonM - thanks Jason
Mark2 - Indeed, the phrasing and the chord inversions/progressions are very interesting, melodical and mysterious. Those are defintely two elements I'd like to study more of his playing
chester - right now the two compositions which caught me most are "Bolero de Vicente" and "Callejon de la Luna"
tommyberre - thanks tommy, that's my usual way of working
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