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flamencositar
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RE: Ruben Diaz needs to stop. (in reply to athrane77)
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ORIGINAL: jof No, you're parroting people who have said the same thing more than 100 times. Nothing more. And this consensus is about to "destroy" the foro more than some Ruben Diaz vids. I'm glad you know me so well to make a bold comment as such. Let me help you out a bit: The good PROFESSOR is a talented and good player. The good PROFESSOR has put out a ton of content, for free, that has benefitted many students of flamenco guitar. But that doesn't mitigate the antics and utter lack of respect for other players, teachers, and non-Andalucian builders. Having differing opinions are good thing. Insights can be gleamed from every where, including the most novice of players. But Kudos' post, in the light of what has gone with this foro and professor, and the content of that post....
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Date May 18 2014 23:46:07
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kudo
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RE: Ruben Diaz needs to stop. (in reply to El Burro Flamencuro)
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as for the counting thing mezzo: i wish i had teachers who could do that when i first started, it would have made things way easier to understand..and i still need it now when things get crazy complicated. its really hard to do if you really think about it or every try to.. its amazing actually! put yourself in his shoes.. your family is a close friend of paco de lucias family and you get to hang out and play guitar with paco for many years for fun and all that, thats not something anyone of you would dream of ! imagine how much knowledge you would gain directly from paco ! you cant even imagine! you remember, when you all prized and treasured just being a few feet away from him for a few seconds after a concert, not to mention how happy you would be for being an ass-kisser of paco now, ruben has done flamenco for most of his life- say about 40 years of flamenco - thats more than everyone here in the foro and has lived in andalucia for a major part of his life ! so when you a foreigner who only goes to visit andalucia a couple times a year or even live there a few years - then after you go back to your country you start claiming to be "an expert" or "professional", start flexing your flamenco muscles and all that ego BS crap ! many of you do that i am sure ! at the end, ofcourse ruben will say after all that, that you have no idea what you are talking about ! its very understandable ! i know spanish guitarists who live outside of spain and complain that foreigners think that they know flamenco better than them ! ofcourse it will drive them nuts !! quote:
I think, I think it might be time for the moderator, if he pleases, and for others who have had enough, to put this one to bed. ..... oooh someone does not like what i am saying? lets close this thread or delete my comment, just because i do not follow the forum's RD "flow of hatred" ?? just think about what i am saying for a minute and discuss this without parroting those from before?
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Date May 19 2014 23:43:33
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RE: Ruben Diaz needs to stop. (in reply to kudo)
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quote: I think, I think it might be time for the moderator, if he pleases, and for others who have had enough, to put this one to bed. ..... oooh someone does not like what i am saying? lets close this thread or delete my comment, just because i do not follow the forum's RD "flow of hatred" ?? just think about what i am saying for a minute and discuss this without parroting those from before? _____________________________ Luke I am your father, feel the hate flow through you. Use the dark side of the force. See Kudinski, when it comes to RD, I have a box full of rats' asses and word on the street is I'm not giving any of them away. Have you ever thought for one moment...I know a moment of thought is a long time for you to sustain, that we're tired of the subject matter and it's a of waste of time? Go watch him on You tube, he's not welcome here. Get it? BTW he's not Spanish either, he's just another knucklehead from the Distrito Federal. I know plenty of Mexicans who are better players than RD and don't have his crappy attitude. Polly want a cracker?
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Date May 20 2014 0:31:08
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cathulu
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RE: Ruben Diaz needs to stop. (in reply to flamencositar)
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Behind the scenes, I guess you are right, RD would eventually have tangled with someone else off site if it wasn't you, or Ricardo or other. But when you think about the silly things that start these things , e.g. male vs females guitars, or Paco is the sole innovator of flamenco, it just seems they escalate way out of proportion. This thread is the perfect example of it and RD isn't even participating lol. It does give one pause. This is not creationism vs science, now that is worth fighting for! RD has demonstrated he has some "issues", how we deal with these people makes me wonder if we are doing it right. This is a problem that is societal at heart. Oh the humanity! Sometimes it seems we just need some humour, a court jester is a valuable thing.
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Date May 20 2014 13:38:05
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Mark2
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RE: Ruben Diaz needs to stop. (in reply to estebanana)
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Mariano Cordoba told me that you could play a great bulerias solo with two lousy falsetas if you had great rhythm. Today I don't think that's as true from a comparison standpoint because there are so many great guitarists that can do it all. For me, the compas parts are the ones I like the most. I've been listening to a lot of Vicente lately, and his falsetas, melodies, composed passages are as good as it gets, but when he does the remate and shows a new way of closing, that's often the part that I dig the most. I'm not convinced that exercises like doing this with palmas and tapping your foot on these beats will get a guitarist there. I tried that, it is like juggling-both hands doing something different, but although it feels good, I think it has little to do with following a dancer while playing the guitar. quote:
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I don't know about anyone else on this list but I could play siguriyas and bulerias before I could mentally count them. I think it was learning the falseta and then playing it the way I heard it from the record; letting the music and its compas sink into the inner man, taking root and growing in this path. It was years before I actually learned how to count it. The same way when I played for dancers....everything just seemed to come out right after working with them for awhile.........I missed the singer style as I didn't work with anyone. I would not know I can't play three compases in compas and I stopped caring a few years back. I don't have time to practice and the guitar absolutely kills my back. I have about zero patience for playing guitar and only do enough to make sure they feel right. It's funny though I have been around a lot of high level dancers and I notice how they mark compas and then notice that guitar players are most of the time clueless about how dancers work with compas. I'm not saying I can play for high level dancers, but I have had many many of conversations with them about what they are doing and thinking about. Most guitarists are obsessed with falsetas, but not with marking time and playing with sensitivity while just making compas. It's like if a guitarist can play for five minutes with out doing a falseta and make it interesting to listen to that is a good guitarist. Like they have so many ways of expressing compas without playing one fancy thing and the compas grooves when then any falsetas they work into it will groove too. So my comment was more like if guitarists worked out like dancers. Dancers, whether they count or don't count have to make compas look and feel good even when they are not doing a corte or insane foot work. I think guitar players today put to much emphasis of falsetas and not enough on brilliant, inventive, fresh marking of compas. Well you see and hear the highest level guitar players doing this, and then they do wizz bang falsetas on top of it. And it all works an can be hard to count...But my beef is that who cares if you can play a complex falseta if the marking that underscores it is not inventive and brilliant? I wish guitar players would conceptualize compas more like dancers. Or talk to dancers and ask them how they do that interesting stuff that holds your attention, although they hardly move a muscle. That is fascinating. but I'm just guiri so what do I know.... Or maybe I just wish I made custom flamenco shoes and was a cobbler so i could hang around the ladies while fitting their shoes. Anyway just saying flamenco is more than falsetas, fancy fasetas played without a deep grounding in marking compas are the least interesting thing in flamenco. Good kick ass accompaniment is more fun.
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Date May 21 2014 0:10:14
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: Ruben Diaz needs to stop. (in reply to estebanana)
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Guiry is actually spelled: Guiri Just thought you should know since you live in Spain I mean, Espainya. I would hate for an actual Spaniard to think you were Scandinavian by spelling guiri incorrectly. You're welcome on behalf of all yanquis, signed, The Guiri You´re right. Its not a word I write soften when writing Spanish. Besides, I do make mistakes when I´m writing and talking and more so when its not my first language. I can imagine that the same thing happens to you. I´ve been here 13 years. My spanish level is high, but I´m still a guiri and I will always be, so dont be afraid that they will think I´m Spanish. I will never be. My accent, my language errors will always be present, but more so my looks and my behaviors will always be guiri. Its alright for me. I dont want to be anything else. And especially not something that would be completely impossible. So when I called foroflamenco for the world center of guiri flamenco, I included myself, just as i included you and the rest. It would be stupid to think we are anything else.
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Date May 21 2014 7:36:54
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