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BarkellWH
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RE: Jose Romanillos new book (in reply to Joan Maher)
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and he really dislikes the use of cedar for tops (only fit for roof tiles!?) I'm with Romanillos on the use of cedar tops, especially for flamenco guitars. Jose Ramirez III pioneered the use of cedar tops on flamenco guitars. In my opinion flamenco guitars with cedar tops lack the crisp, percussive sound produced by spruce tops combined with cypress. Nevertheless, those who favor cedar tops claim that they do not take as long to "open up." Once again, it probably depends on one's subjective opinion. Cheers, Bill
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Date May 6 2014 15:29:07
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BarkellWH
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RE: Jose Romanillos new book (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Bill, here you have the problem. 1 guitar makes you think all guitars made with cedar soundboards are bad.... I didn't say that the cedar top guitar was "bad," Anders. I said that I didn't care for it on a flamenco guitar because, at least the one I tried, lacked the crisp, percussive sound that one gets with spruce tops. As a highly regarded luthier yourself, what do you think? In your opinion do cedar top flamencos sound as crisp and percussive as those with spruce tops? I realize that a lot of this is subjective, but I would be interested in your opinion as a luthier regarding the advantages (and disadvantages) of cedar vs. spruce tops on flamenco guitars. Cheers, Bill
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Date May 7 2014 17:50:44
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Ricardo
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RE: Jose Romanillos new book (in reply to BarkellWH)
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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH quote:
Bill, here you have the problem. 1 guitar makes you think all guitars made with cedar soundboards are bad.... I didn't say that the cedar top guitar was "bad," Anders. I said that I didn't care for it on a flamenco guitar because, at least the one I tried, lacked the crisp, percussive sound that one gets with spruce tops. As a highly regarded luthier yourself, what do you think? In your opinion do cedar top flamencos sound as crisp and percussive as those with spruce tops? I realize that a lot of this is subjective, but I would be interested in your opinion as a luthier regarding the advantages (and disadvantages) of cedar vs. spruce tops on flamenco guitars. Cheers, Bill Paco de Malaga was the first flamenco player I ever saw live. I probably saw him playing that 1990 Ramirez at that time. I remember because I had a ramirez Cedar top classical and it sounding nothing so cool as his guitar. I always assumed it was about the back and side wood more. I played it again a few weeks ago at his house, very nicely constructed instrument and I liked the sound it was definitely very flamenco sounding. Only thing was maybe a little less percussive than a good Conde...but not so sure it is because of the wood or because of the build. Tomatito's guitar was very punchy and percussive despite it being basically like my Ramirez 1A classical was in terms of looks. I admit I could be mistaken about the top being spruce and not cedar despite it's looks. If that be the case probably I would agree, in general, Cedar is not making the better flamenco attack. But a true objective test is to compare two of the same make and model with different tops. Here is tomatito playing a quite percussive Ramirez: http://youtu.be/W7Ew_nw3zak
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Date May 8 2014 2:46:58
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: Jose Romanillos new book (in reply to BarkellWH)
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quote: Bill, here you have the problem. 1 guitar makes you think all guitars made with cedar soundboards are bad.... I didn't say that the cedar top guitar was "bad," Anders. I said that I didn't care for it on a flamenco guitar because, at least the one I tried, lacked the crisp, percussive sound that one gets with spruce tops. As a highly regarded luthier yourself, what do you think? In your opinion do cedar top flamencos sound as crisp and percussive as those with spruce tops? I realize that a lot of this is subjective, but I would be interested in your opinion as a luthier regarding the advantages (and disadvantages) of cedar vs. spruce tops on flamenco guitars. Cheers, Bill Bill, go back and read your first post... If you had written what you write in this post, I would have answered differently. I have, a few days ago, in another thread answered what I think about cedar and flamencos: quote: I really like cedar soundboards on blancas. Kind of perplexed they are not that popular. quote My answer: "I like them to and that 117 guitar really plays well. The problem is that people "think" they dont like cedar. They have read it on the internet, so when they try a guitar with a cedar top, they already believe they wont like it. Another problem is that many builders dont control cedar to well on flamenco guitars. Often they end up being to soft and muddy or they have to much of that "cedar ring" in its voice." To me its like choosing between Bourgogne and Bordeux wine.
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