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flamencal

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arab and flamenco

spanish arabic fusion music-oud vs guitar

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Robin.S

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

Great stuff!I love the mix of the two.Big fan of fusion,thanks for that!

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flamencal

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aeolus

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

I posted that clip not long ago and Erik von Goch who claims an encyclopedic know of of flamenco dumped all over it saying he fast forwards through this part with Sufis chant. I loved it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2014 21:13:07

flamencal

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2014 21:27:58

BarkellWH

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

I am not a big fan of "fusion" when it comes to flamenco, but one of the primary influences in the development of flamenco was Arabic music as transmitted to Andalucia via the Moors. Moorish, Jewish, and Gypsy elements all influenced flamenco as it was a century ago and as we know it today. So it is not surprising that the oud and guitar carry on that tradition. It does sound great. But it is not as much "fusion" as it would be with, say, a sitar and a guitar. It is in keeping with the roots of flamenco.

Cheers,

Bill

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2014 22:00:09

flamencal

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

love you all

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2014 22:08:08

Robin.S

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Leñador

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

That Jesse cook thing was funny, it sounds like he heard a fandango ages ago and now he's trying to imitate it. Great Lole Y La Negra vid!

I'm not generally a fusion fan either……..puro puro puro

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2014 23:21:46

flamencal

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mark74

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

There is a strong affiliation between Arab music and flamenco going way back. Flamenco has given me an appreciation of and affinity for Arab culture that I didn't have before flamenco. I even listen to oud music sometimes and I love Arab food. The only thing I don't understand is how so many follow a religion that doesn't let them drink. I'd rather go to hell.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2014 0:14:32

mark74

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to Leñador)

I'm sure J-Cook can play some fandangos

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2014 0:15:54

flamencal

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

mark74

flamenco is not religion
so take it easy

al
from Saudi arabia

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2014 0:26:41

mark74

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

No offense meant Al.

I love Arab culture, its very beautiful.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2014 0:57:56

flamencal

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2014 1:12:44

Leñador

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

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I'm sure J-Cook can play some fandangos

I'm not convinced…….

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2014 1:41:46

flamencal

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

lenador

ask Obama he is in Riyadh now

al
Saudi Arabia
I will be in spain malaga from 1-july- 2014 to 30-aug-2014

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2014 1:51:25

Leñador

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

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ask Obama he is in Riyadh now

ask obama if jesse cook can play fandangos??? I don't know how well Obama can identify his palos………...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2014 1:56:21

Richard Jernigan

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

I have told the story before, but sometime in the late 1970s I found myself in a fancy nightclub in the basement of a hotel out in the country near Tangier, Morocco.

There was a band. The leader alternated between electric guitar and oud. There was a big man from sub-saharan Africa on percussion, and supporting players. The lead singer was a very beautiful woman with a wonderful voice. I didn't realize she was blind until the band took a break and someone led her from the stage.

At one point the band struck up a dance tune. The maids of wealthy women at one of the tables rummaged in their handbags and handed beautiful Hermes silk scarves to their mistresses, who wrapped them around their hips and stepped out onto the floor, in hip-swaying steps reminiscent of what is called "belly dance" in America. The maids participated with complex palmas, and occasional brief vocalizations.

The music could have been a Niño Ricardo Zambra, note for note.

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2014 16:41:06

koenie17

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to flamencal)

Very nice!! I quite like fuision between flamenco and other ethnic music.

This one with La Tremendita and Mohammad Motamedi is one of my favorites.
Especially when they all go together(12:00 - 14:00) and at the very end.
Mohammad has got an amazing voice and I´m not a very big fan of La Tremendita but they´ve got some magical moments over here

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2014 17:09:42

estebanana

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to Leñador)

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sk obama if jesse cook can play fandangos??? I don't know how well Obama can identify his palos……

This is awesome.

He's born in Africa so he must know some Fela Kuti or something at least. Or some hula moves.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 30 2014 13:19:21

Erik van Goch

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to aeolus)

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ORIGINAL: aeolus

I posted that clip not long ago and Erik von Goch who claims an encyclopedic know of flamenco dumped all over it saying he fast forwards through this part with Sufis chant. I loved it.

Glad to hear you loved my post after all ;-)

But seriously, i never claimed i have an encyclopedic knowledge of flamenco, as a matter of fact i only know a fraction of a fraction. As far as that clip is involved, where you see the gathering of 2 musical spirits celebrating the very essence of music i can only see a forced and failed attempt to unite 2 musical spirits were both are not able to shine. How would you react if this was a gathering between Tomatito and John Williams, with Williams performing a Bach suite and Tomatito giving musical comments on top of/in between the Bach phrases? Would you still praise it as celebrating the pure essence of music or would you agree it would be more enjoyable to hear the Bach suite first (uninterrupted) fallowed by Tomatito playing one of his compositions? I'm pretty sure you would skip such a Bach meets flamenco gathering as well if it was done like in that clip :-).

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 30 2014 14:32:01

aeolus

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to Erik van Goch)

quote:

lad to hear you loved my post after all ;-)

But seriously, i never claimed i have an encyclopedic knowledge of flamenco, as a matter of fact i only know a fraction of a fraction. As far as that clip is involved, where you see the gathering of 2 musical spirits celebrating the very essence of music i can only see a forced and failed attempt to unite 2 musical spirits were both are not able to shine. How would you react if this was a gathering between Tomatito and John Williams, with Williams performing a Bach suite and Tomatito giving musical comments on top of/in between the Bach phrases? Would you still praise it as celebrating the pure essence of music or would you agree it would be more enjoyable to hear the Bach suite first (uninterrupted) fallowed by Tomatito playing one of his compositions? I'm pretty sure you would skip such a Bach meets flamenco gathering as well if it was done like in that clip :-).

"it" of course referred to the preceding noun Sufis.
And much what has been written on this thread concerns the relationship between Arab music and flamenco so your hypothetical Williams /Tomatito comparison doesn't equate. Tomatito was playing well suited riffs in support of Sheikh Ahmad Al Tuni's Sufis chants. So you hated it. Difference of opinion.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 30 2014 17:24:31

flamencal

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RE: arab and flamenco (in reply to mark74)

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There is a strong affiliation between Arab music and flamenco going way back. Flamenco has given me an appreciation of and affinity for Arab culture that I didn't have before flamenco. I even listen to oud music sometimes and I love Arab food. The only thing I don't understand is how so many follow a religion that doesn't let them drink. I'd rather go to hell.

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