Photo essay of the making of a continued heelcap with binding and purfling.

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Anders Eliasson

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Photo essay of the making of a conti...

1) Here you see the routing for the binding and purfling. Note that the routing for the purfling is less deep. (also called stepped)

2) I glue on the purfling first and I start from the end. The purfling is maple.

3)gluing the binding

4)and the final result with French Polish.

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constructordeguitarras

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Wow, nice job, Anders! What kind of glue are you using?

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Just titebond. And on the purfling I use a LOT of small pieces of tape to hold it in place. Its very flexible though, so its easy to get it glued.
As you wrote, this is one the most difficult things to make on a guitar and its very timeconsuming. You have to work with a precission of 1/10 of a mm.

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Erik van Goch

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

That's quit a metamorphosis :-)

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Erik van Goch)

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That's quit a metamorphosis :-)

Oh yes, woodworking is like that. But you have to be in control.
Here are 2 other pictures.

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tijeretamiel

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson

Just titebond. And on the purfling I use a LOT of small pieces of tape to hold it in place. Its very flexible though, so its easy to get it glued.
As you wrote, this is one the most difficult things to make on a guitar and its very timeconsuming. You have to work with a precission of 1/10 of a mm.

Thanks for that info. It's fascinating to learn of aspects to the guitar I wouldn't have known otherwise.

Great pictures too.

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koenie17

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Nice Job!! I like the Maple purflings.
It looks very clean! My bindings always get really messy with the glue and the tape. Last time the tape ripped out a small grain out of a cedar top. I really need to solve this...
I am thinking to put on a washcoat of shellac before routing out the binding channels.
How do you clean up after gluing? and do you use lots of glue?

Thanks Anders!

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Andy Culpepper

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to koenie17)

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I am thinking to put on a washcoat of shellac before routing out the binding channels.

Bingo.

Nice photos Anders.

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koenie17

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

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Bingo.

Cheers

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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It looks very clean! My bindings always get really messy with the glue and the tape. Last time the tape ripped out a small grain out of a cedar top. I really need to solve this...
I am thinking to put on a washcoat of shellac before routing out the binding channels.
How do you clean up after gluing? and do you use lots of glue?

A wash coat might help a little bit, but what matters the most is to keeo your tools really sharp. I give my routing bit a touch up on a diamond stone every time I rout. I clean after the gluing with a normal cabinet scraper. And again, it has to be really sharp and you have to be patient and cut of small amounts of wood and glue squeseout with every stroke. Put on some relaxing music. I helps a lot.
Tape on tops: find out which way your grain run and take off the tape in a 45 degree angle following the grain run. Then you wont lift anything.
I dont use lots of glue, but I try not to overdoo it. Gluing binding and purfling is messy, but I clean of the glue after doing the roping and before the glue settles.

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Wayne Brown

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to koenie17)

To keep from pulling out fibers on your top when removing tape, use a hairdryer or heat gun to soften the adhesive before removing.

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Tom Blackshear

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Wayne Brown)

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To keep from pulling out fibers on your top when removing tape, use a hairdryer or heat gun to soften the adhesive before removing.

Applying a couple of wash coats of shellac around the edges and letting dry before the tape does a nice job as well. The shellac seals the wood to some extent and stabilizes its fibers.

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estebanana

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

If you use drafting tape or light tack painters tape you don't get grain pull up if you are careful.

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koenie17

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Cheers guys!!

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constructordeguitarras

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Anders, I am sure you know this, but for the benefit of others I want to mention something:

Often the staircase is done without cutting the purfling rabbet all the way through the back--so that more of the back can remain glued to the lining. I had though that was the only reason for doing a staircase, but I can see that your method is also good.

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Stephen Eden

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

I thought the 'Stair case' method was used to save on the more time consuming perflings like hearing bone.

I've never done a stepped rebate as I've only use simple lines.

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johnguitar

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Stephen Eden)

If a full depth purfling is used the purfling is glued to the end-grain of the top or back at least in some places. With a staircase the purfling is nicely glued to the bottom of the channel and then the binding glues to that. That is my understanding of it. Of course having more top and back extending towards the edges and saving on fancy purfling are good reasons too.

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jshelton5040

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to johnguitar)

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If a full depth purfling is used the purfling is glued to the end-grain of the top or back at least in some places. With a staircase the purfling is nicely glued to the bottom of the channel and then the binding glues to that.

Sorry but this doesn't make sense to me. It strikes me that you're gluing to some end grain with either method.

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Andy Culpepper

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RE: Photo essay of the making of a c... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

I do the staircase like Ethan describes without routing through the top or back. For me it matters more on the top where I might have .200" of binding plus purfling width. I wouldn't want to rout out that much tentellone so I cut the purfling channels only about .060" deep.

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