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Skai
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RE: ALBUMS TO AVOID... (in reply to Thomas Whiteley)
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Carlos Montoya's playing was very harsh, probably more suited to accompaniment. Thunderous golpes are what I remember him for. BTW Ryan002, how about an intro of yourself, maybe through email? You happen to be from Singapore too? If you are, it's better if flamenco enthusiasts here stick together or we might just die out. I've got 2 others on my side LOL.. I've gone round the island and managed to dig out some CDs here and there. Anyway it was Paco Pena's Flamenco Master album that I bought a year ago and it wasn't from Gramaphone. If you'd like to have a listen to Carlos Montoya, try That CD Shop across Far East Plaza, under the World section. As for the neck, they had to heat up the neck for guitars without truss rods. I was trying to figure out whether it was really warped. But I did try it out yesterday again after the repair, and the action seemed much better so I think it was probably worth the repair. Haven't collected it though, I told the repairman that I'd collect it 'later in the day' and I never returned.. I won't have enough money till Thursday! I'd be more than happy to hear some samples of any tracks you've got James. I'm eternally grateful to you for everything that you gave me, it's great though I'm still trying to listen to all my new additions. I've bought quite a few CDs and I've got tons of albums from you too, Thanks! Cheston
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Date Nov. 6 2005 15:20:33
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Miguel de Maria
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: ALBUMS TO AVOID... (in reply to Thomas Whiteley)
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No one said Carlos wasn't a good person, Ryan. It's just commonly thought that his recordings aren't worth much. By the way, that doesn't mean he can't play. I know a guy who can play a lot and is quite an artist but he doesn't have an album. On the other hand, if you like more "flamenco like music" as Tom calls it, take the case of Chuscales. His first flamenco like album was quite good, with lots of nice melodies. His second one was terrible, and sounded like a thrown-together, noodly, improvised mish-mash, with some of the old falsetas thrown together. Amazing that one person could make two albums, so wildly differing in quality.
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Date Nov. 6 2005 16:18:17
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Ron.M
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From: Scotland
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RE: ALBUMS TO AVOID... (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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His second one was terrible, and sounded like a thrown-together, noodly, improvised mish-mash, with some of the old falsetas thrown together. Mike, I think a lot of really good Flamenco players have trodden that path to "noodly nirvana" myself. Just like punk reassesed glam rock, I sometimes wonder if there will be a sudden dismissal of all this "smooth" stuff in Flamenco, and some young guys, somewhere will come out with some really "earthy" and new interpretations of Jondo stuff that will absolutely floor us all! ... I really do! Will be interesting to see..IMO After all, jazzier can only get more jazzier to outdo the jazzinest that was done before, until it gets to the jazzymost of the jazzyfantasticmost! Then "jazzy" will become "old style playing", dismissed as the stuff your dad and grandad did in the old days, and a complete embarrassment. LOL! cheers Ron
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Date Nov. 6 2005 20:32:33
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JBASHORUN
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RE: ALBUMS TO AVOID... (in reply to Cloth Ears)
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Vicente is a very crossover player, rarely satisfied with sticking to old form. His latest work is compas based, but doesn't have that gitano flamenco feeling found soo clearly in all of Tomatito's work. I woild like to see him work for a dancer...that would stretch him. This may be so. But I'm not sure this would apply to Nunez, as I have seen him play traditional stuff with Carmen Cortes dancing. And apparently he also has an album with cante by El Indio Gitano which is more traditional. So just because a guitarist plays "modern flamenco" or flamenco jazz doesn't mean they can't also play traditional stuff. However... Here is a exert from an interview with Manolo Sanlucar commenting on tradition versus modernity in Flamenco... INTERVIEWER: With the revolution flamenco's undergone over the past few years, how do you see the new generations? Is it harder for them to contribute something new, without getting away from flamenco? MANOLO: The more time goes by, the further the new generations drift away from tradition. That's dangerous; we've entered a world dominated by what's commercial, and a lot of them don't have a foundation, the knowledge to differentiate between musical cultures. Hybrids have already come out which have no structural knowledge of their own musical culture. Nowadays there are aberrations happening such as the one at Córdoba's Flamenco Conservatory, where in the offer of mandatory studies one of the courses, I believe, was Jazz Harmony, and that has been included in the educational program because two or three artists happen to have done fusions. The school representing us can't impose that course, because young people will think it belongs to our culture. For them to know it should be a personal question, which they make their own decision on. A young person shouldn't construe that knowing jazz harmony is part of our culture. We don't need it, and at the same time, we need them all. This is a lack of reasoning and a lack of trained teachers, speaking in general terms. Young people get lost and then it's really difficult to recover them when they're forty years old. It's true that there is a group of young guitarists with technique, but there's still a lot of insufficiency in training. James
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Date Nov. 8 2005 18:23:34
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XXX
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ORIGINAL: Cloth Ears p.s. avoid album's by Westlife since they are talentless jerks But their concerts are so great But serious now, i listened to the CD Ciudad couple times now: I like "Tres notas..." because of the original melody and the beginning. I also like Track 2, the cante. 3rd track is annoying (the palmas!). 4 is very, very nice, its "airy", smooth, very "lifted up", "cool" (sorry for crappy english). 5 is to "kitchy" (?) for me. Theres an instrument that doesnt fit at all... the guitar? no joke. Its sounds like a harmonica. 6 is a bit like 3 with a too much annoying/instrusive rythm for me. Dont know how to explain better, but i get headache from such a monotone rythm pattern... 7 is ok, nice playing, but i didnt get the "meaning". Same goes for 8. Ps: Im enjoying Sabicas very much right now. He seemed to have an influence on Paco, but thats only a vague guess since i have only heard the "flamenco puro" album. I guess im more addicted to flamencoguitar than to flamenco music (though i like camaron! )
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Date Nov. 8 2005 18:40:10
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JBASHORUN
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RE: ALBUMS TO AVOID... (in reply to XXX)
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I like "Tres notas..." because of the original melody and the beginning. I also like Track 2, the cante. 3rd track is annoying (the palmas!). 4 is very, very nice, its "airy", smooth, very "lifted up", "cool" (sorry for crappy english). 5 is to "kitchy" (?) for me. Theres an instrument that doesnt fit at all... the guitar? no joke. Its sounds like a harmonica. 6 is a bit like 3 with a too much annoying/instrusive rythm for me. Dont know how to explain better, but i get headache from such a monotone rythm pattern... 7 is ok, nice playing, but i didnt get the "meaning". Same goes for 8. Ps: Im enjoying Sabicas very much right now. He seemed to have an influence on Paco, but thats only a vague guess since i have only heard the "flamenco puro" album. I guess im more addicted to flamencoguitar than to flamenco music (though i like camaron! ) My thoughts exactly (except that I wasn't so keen on "Cordoba"). But I think we have similar musical tastes... I might check out Sabicas. I'd also agree on being addicted to Flamenco guitar rather than flamenco music as a whole. But I am trying to make an effort to appreciate it all. James
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Date Nov. 8 2005 18:57:43
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