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Did flamenco "peak" in the 70's?
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: Did flamenco "peak" in... (in reply to mark74)
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Many ethnical kinds of music, like flamenco, Irish Traditional, and all kinds of European folk had a boom in the 70th and they have all lost in commercial atraction. Right now Flamenco is doing ok in its posh version (Bienal, big concerts, festivals, official stuff etc.) but its root versions is suffering. Here in Spain, what has happened is that because of the economical crisis, people stopped being members of peñas and stopped going out, so there a lot fever places to hear flamenco than just a few years ago, but the ones playing 5 years ago, still play. Just more difficult to find. There are less people learning flamenco now. They are all to busy uploading photos of themself on facebook and writing nobrain messages on twitter. Sad but true.
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Date Dec. 8 2013 8:09:15
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Haithamflamenco
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From: Bahrain
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RE: Did flamenco "peak" in... (in reply to mark74)
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Flamenco is not dead and most probably it wont die ever. Its just having a hard time. Its not the first time things are like that. Before thee boom that started in the late fifties and which topped around 1970, flamenco was in deepshit crisis for a very long time. It only existed in families and a few peñas, but it came back. Exactly the same has happened to many other ethnical music styles here in Europe. Maybe its good thing that flamenco takes it easy for a couple of decades. It came to a point where it was way to much show off, fashion and pop. ya, I believe that was right, and spot on, it looks like flamenco players, dancers, singers and luthiers having a very hard time making money from their profession, I heard that gerardo own a grape farm and making wine and vicente carillo a supplier for guitars wood, they are not only depending on their main work to make money, I believe that flamenco education is very important, normal people are not aware about puro flamenco, or what is flamenco, let say the beginner young guitar players, lets say the music class at the primary school or the intermediate school, that not only let the students play with their drums, but educate them about the theory of music including flamenco. from what I see, a lecture for beginners player about flamenco history, types of palo, keys, compass etc... will open their minds and will clear the blur vision about it. for example what I found here in the gulf region, guitar players who claim to play flamenco, they start with rumbas, rhythmic rumbas as flamenco, two player should play it; one go solo and the other rhythm the chords, and that is flamenco!!! the fast you go picado and scales the better your are as flamenco guitarist, this is the idea here. its not those guys fault , its by default, that what they can reach, that what is available as a media, videos and flamenco education. so , to correct this problem, and education must be available, in many shapes, videos, lectures, private lesson and creating community ti gather all the guitars players who seeks this types of information. another problems is the Fakemenco guitars!! lots of young flamenco hobbyist even the advance guys have no idea, about flamenco guitars types, wood types, bracing system, sound etc... so they end up with an over price fakemenco guitar sound like a box. I believe education is very important and where it must be accessible as a verity of resources.
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Date Dec. 11 2013 8:09:44
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Miguel de Maria
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RE: Did flamenco "peak" in... (in reply to Morante)
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I don't know man, I like Leyenda del Tiempo. Art does not stand still, though often we wish it would. Life goes on. In my day, people wrote letters, on paper, in their own handwriting; now they use their thumbs to mash out abominable, pop-culture reference-laden non-communication. The 1920s saw the greatest number of pianos sold, because at that time normal people played music for their own friends and family, then the radio, and worse, the TV came, turning us into passive consumers of whatever the broadcasters gauged would result in higher soap sales. The world turns...
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Date Dec. 11 2013 14:09:05
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Miguel de Maria
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RE: Did flamenco "peak" in... (in reply to guitarbuddha)
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I came across an interesting theory that American liberalism is an atheistic sect of Protestantism. There really are so many things that don't add up in that philosophy that the theory is compelling. Americans tend to "believe" in progress without ever carrying that to its logical conclusion or even questioning it. We also tend to "believe" in science in exactly the same way other generations believed in God. Where we would once say "that's not very Christian", we might now say "that's not very scientific". True debate or scrutiny is thus avoided. On the economic front, the popular idea of capitalism and "the invisible hand" takes on religious qualities and even iconography and is used to sort out and justify the classes in the same way religion once did. American conservatism is based on Protestant Christianity, of course; it underpins everything and can justify the widespread poverty, slavery, and genocide. If you agree that these forces are significant threads in the American psyche, the results generally make sense. That being said, I doubt any other culture is particularly saner, they just have less power so can do less damage.
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Date Dec. 11 2013 17:48:30
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