RE: Vicente Carrillo video

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estebanana

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RE: Vicente Carrillo video (in reply to C. Vega)

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While some makers may find it difficult or even impossible to admit, there is always a fair amount of luck involved.

I'll agree with that. Daniel Friederich said the same thing in an interview.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2013 1:24:26

estebanana

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RE: Vicente Carrillo video (in reply to TANúñez)

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I don't actually watch Star Trek. I just thought this pic was cool lol. I may have to change it now as I will get classified as a poser.

Hjajajajaj.. it's ok Mr. Spock is a cultural icon beyond Stet Trek fame.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 10 2013 1:26:53

constructordeguitarras

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RE: Vicente Carrillo video (in reply to Ricardo)

It was nice to watch the video, but his bandsawing technique reminds me that I read somewhere that workers in Spanish guitar factories cut off a lot of fingers and more. (That's a lot of blade showing.)

"There used to be a lot of accidents. If you see anyone in the town missing fingers or even a hand you know he worked here," workshop manager Jose Luis Cebillo said.

--http://www.dnaindia.com/world/1529411/report-spain-crisis-won-t-silence-manuel-rodriguez-guitars

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 11 2013 0:06:21

constructordeguitarras

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RE: Vicente Carrillo video (in reply to C. Vega)

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Did anyone besides me think that in the scene where he's supposedly sawing out a top that he doesn't actually appear to be cutting any wood?
And why is the blade guide on the saw set so high?

I think you nailed it: He's not really the sawyer.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 11 2013 0:16:33

espartano

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RE: Vicente Carrillo video (in reply to estebanana)

Any have seen Jose de Prados Luthier???

It seems brilliant

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2013 12:25:33

Arash

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RE: Vicente Carrillo video (in reply to espartano)

I miss brightness (not to say flamenconess) of sound in all the guitars i heard in this thread (both vicente carillo and the last video jose de prados)
They all sound too warm, dull and too 'classical' for my taste.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2013 20:00:26

Tom Blackshear

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RE: Vicente Carrillo video (in reply to Arash)

Perhaps this will satisfy your flamenco yearnings.........

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 17 2013 17:47:30

jorpheus

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RE: Vicente Carrillo video (in reply to estebanana)

It is really not OK to give the impression that the instruments are made by a small number of workmen, when it reality, there is a mass production going on in the back or even somewhere else in the world.

I don't know whether this is true for Carillo, but wherever this happens, I find it not acceptable. If the guitar was made in a different place or manner than pretended, the seller must tell that to the buyer.

Some famous spanish workshops do sell "factory" guitars but they should not hide that. Actually I find it worse to imagine that a mass producer tries to give a fake impression of a small workshop.

Would you accept this in a restaurant?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2013 10:21:02

Tom Blackshear

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RE: Vicente Carrillo video (in reply to jorpheus)

I feel the quality of any guitar, whether it is made by a factory or in a small shop, comes first when deciding to purchase it. After all, the guitar should speak for itself as an independent instrument, wherever it comes from.

This is what makes guitars so much fun, not that we are so tied down in our thinking about a name label but that guitars are a breed unto themselves and have a mystery about them that transcends any particular maker who is conscientious about his work.

Why, even good makers are subject to failure once in a while, even if they are known for quality. If we take the position that no factory guitars are worthy or that we have to have specific advertising for each guitar then we can kiss most of Spain's guitars off instead of enjoying them as individual art. Many of the well known Spanish houses, even the higher priced ones, don't make their guitars, factories do.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2013 14:13:51

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Vicente Carrillo video (in reply to estebanana)

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I feel the quality of any guitar, whether it is made by a factory or in a small shop, comes first when deciding to purchase it. After all, the guitar should speak for itself as an independent instrument, wherever it comes from.

Tom there´s something called consumer laws. I dont know how they work where you live, but here, in Europe, there´s a lot of streching going on and a lot of activity beyond the limit. I´m actually pretty sure that its not legally correct to sell guitars with a wrong label in them and I´m pretty sure that if according to laws, guitars which have been finetuned by someone and built by someone else have to make it clear on the label who did what.
Another thing is reality and especially in places like Spain, there´s a long history of doing things which are not legally correct.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2013 15:23:20

Tom Blackshear

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RE: Vicente Carrillo video (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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I´m pretty sure that if according to laws, guitars which have been fine-tuned by someone and built by someone else have to make it clear on the label who did what.

From your post mentioning fine tuning I would assume you are referring to my deal with Manuel Adalid.

I agree with truth in advertising, and I have turned the fine tuning over to Manuel to incorporate on his labels for my design but there is still a problem of how to advertise the guitar as my design but I think it will be worked out in time. Manuel and I are both easy to get along with.

But back to the Carrillo guitars, as to what they do with the actual building of that name. I think it is an accepted fact that much of Spain's guitar industry changes hands in the process and this is recognized by many players who have done business for a number of years.

Whether Carrillo does this, with handling all of his work in house, is not the question but how consistent his quality is, regardless of where it comes from. If we had to go back and correct everything that has been done with Spain's advertising of each instrument, it would be impossible.

This is where you and others like you, have the advantage, if there is a definite difference in quality from a small shop to a large factory. And then there are buyers who prefer a more personal small shop's work.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2013 18:07:48

Tom Blackshear

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RE: Vicente Carrillo video (in reply to C. Vega)

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Vicente may actually do some hands-on work but my guess is that most of what's going on in that video is just posing.
Did anyone besides me think that in the scene where he's supposedly sawing out a top that he doesn't actually appear to be cutting any wood?

There are a small number of reasons why he has the blade guide set higher; one would be that he is getting it out of the way of the camera which is making the video, and another is that he can't see the line on the wood with the guide too close to it.

I set my guide higher for this very reason but not too high to lose guide control. If I cut a thicker piece of wood; like neck material, etc, I set the guide lower.