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RE: What's the best way to remember falsetas?
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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 RE: What's the best way to remember ... (in reply to guitarbuddha)
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ORIGINAL: guitarbuddha
I've heard your argument from about eighty percent of the teenage boys I've taught.
At some point they became self conscious and decided to stop singing. Then when I say that they should they think I am oppressing them. They are oppressing themselves.
There is a big difference between can and won't. Sure there is stuff I can play but have never sang. But there is nothing I can play that I couldn't give a fair shot singing. Unless I objected to singing on principal and developed the delusion that I couldn't. If you have a tongue you can sing, even if you are tone deaf.
About the confusion ,if you hear confusion in your voice then it is there already, the singing just lets you know.
Be careful what you believe.
D.
:/ , its strange what you are interpreting in what i said.
i am not objected to singing in principal or anything like that.
and i still don't understand why i should draw parallels between my singing abilities to my playing abilities. "the singing just lets you know that you are generally and musically confused" is not convincing for me, sorry.
for me singing and playing guitar are two different animals.
we are talking about falsetas!, not just few simple notes. so many notes, often times really complex stuff. i wanne hear one or two examples of people here singing some falsetas i will give to them as examples (and no, i don't want to hear nice voices, i just want to be able to recognize the falseta, that would be more than enough) and then we can see if we are even talking about the same issue or are talking at cross purposes. maybe i am totally misunderstanding what you guys mean with "singing the falseta"
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Date May 13 2013 18:15:37
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guitarbuddha
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RE: What's the best way to remember ... (in reply to guitarbuddha)
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OK here is an illustration.
Guitar World or Guitar Techniques or something does a feature on Jimmy Hendrix in an issue and the next week I have to listen to a dozen guys butchering Purple Haze.
I say,'That's not quite right' because actually it is bloody awful, they have went straight to the TAB and haven't really listened to the original.
They say 'But it is right, look here is the TAB, I am playing all those numbers'. I say 'Well Kinda'.
Now what is being played sounds like purest hogwash, even if all the notes are right. So I ask them to sing it the way they think it goes.
They say 'But it's guitar music sir'
I then smash the guitar over their heads and jump out of the window screaming.
The reason is that we are now in a position where they have a vested interest in proving their point by completely missing mine. I wouldn't mind so much but I have to listen to them play half assed nonsense for a much longer time because they are stuck stuck stuck and willfully oblivious.
Until I know what they are hearing in their head I cannot help them. And if the wont try and let me know by singing we are stuck.
Now I doubt very much that this describes you Arash but this Forum is for everyone and I honestly believe that using the voice in the learning process would be beneficial to everyone.
Why are you trying to convince them otherwise ? You suspected that I was bringing some baggage into this conversation and boy did I just confirm it.
So how about some quid pro quo, why don't you wanna sing and have you genuinely never heard anyone vocalise an instrumental melody, never heard a human beatbox, never heard Louis Armstrong scat, never seen a conductor pause to give an orchestral section advice on phrasing. Singing is how musicians communicate, it is the root and soul of all music. It is the most honest and immediate instrument.
And if you can't approximate a musical idea with your voice you at least know that the problem is not in your fingers it is in your head.
But if you only practice with your fingers and some of the problems are in your head then it is easy to get stuck stuck stuck.
D.
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Date May 13 2013 22:04:58
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Miguel de Maria
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RE: What's the best way to remember ... (in reply to tele)
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ORIGINAL: tele
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ORIGINAL: Miguel de Maria
Here's a way to stimulate stress: play the falseta a certain amount of times in a row (for example, 3, 5, or 7) perfectly. If you fail, then you have to start from the beginning. Not only is it a way to make yourself do more reps than you might want to, but you will feel more stress and your concentration will improve.
Some falsetas will then make me die of thirst 
Tele, in that case, you must choose a smaller "chunk" to repeat and perfect. A lot of diffulties stem from biting off more than we can chew. It's often faster to break things down, even though it seems like it would take longer.
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Date May 13 2013 22:54:09
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: What's the best way to remember ... (in reply to horationelson)
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ORIGINAL: horationelson
Long-term Memory
Long-term memory is where most of the action happens regarding the brain actually remembering things. This starts with encoding. Encoding is where the details of a long-term memory such as smells, colors or information are stored in the hippocampus of the brain. The hippocampus and frontal cortex then take all of this information and turn it into electrical signals that can be distributed to different areas of the brain connected by nerve pathways and synapses. One part of the brain may store the smell involved with the memory, while another part of the brain may remember a color, number, or even emotion.
Snyapse
How strong a memory remains in your brain depends on the strength of the synapse between the nerve cells associated with the memory. The more you practice or think about a piece of information stored in your brain, the more that particular synapse is going to be used. As the synapse is used more frequently, it grows in strength. This allows the memory to be more vivid and clear in your mind. If you do not access the memory often, the synapse begins to weaken. This may cause you to forget, or have a hard time remembering a memory that has not been accessed in some time.
One other thing i observed as for myself is that things that i learned as a teenager/kid (even those things which i didn't practiced a lot, but just learned for a short period of time) seam to have been burnt and etched in my mind (kind of like those related synapses seam to have been made of iron at that time :).
One example: i learned "spanish romance":D around 20 years ago.
And i swear i haven't played it the last 20 years. And for many years i even didn't touched the guitar at all.
And just a few days ago i heard it in radio, grabbed my guitar, and i played it without mistakes. The interesting thing is that i couldn't remember (visualize!) the chords, etc. i just played without thinking and my hand moved to the right chords and notes without thinking.
This is NOT the case with newer stuff i learned during the last years.
It works totally different, i have to think, remember, visualise, prepare for the next chord, etc.
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Date May 14 2013 14:30:28
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